chrisc86 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Alright Mates heres the skinny. From the Deamonhunters FAQ "A Grey Knight Land Raider or Land Raider Crusader has the following special rules: Machine Spirit: A Land Raider or Land Raider Crusader can fire one more weapon than would normally be permitted. In addition, this weapon can be fired at a different target unit to any other weapons, subject to the normal rules for shooting. Therefore, a weapon that has moved at combat speed can fire two weapons, and a Land Raider that has either moved at cruising speed, or has suffered a ‘Crew Stunned’ or ‘Crew Shaken’ result can fire a single weapon. Assault Vehicle: Models disembarking from any access point on the Land Raider can launch an assault on the turn they do so." So are all Land Raiders like this now? That would be Freakin awesome. Let me know Gurus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber_Wulf Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 well its grey knights specific so no basically. but it sort of functions like power of the machine spirit which the grey knights land raiders didnt used to have. and the assault vehicle thing is a given for any land raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1636941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Until Space Marines/DA/BA/SW/BT are updated, use POTMS as written in your codex. I expect all marines will get the DHFAQ version, but we don't have it yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1636943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Age quod agis Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Check out the Games Workshop UK site: Using its Machine Spirit it can engage two enemy tanks each turn so, as well as absorbing the enemy firepower, it can significantly reduce it as well! Found in the UK site, Space Marine section, "Space Marine Tank Tactics" GW UK Tank Tactics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Check out the Games Workshop UK site:Using its Machine Spirit it can engage two enemy tanks each turn so, as well as absorbing the enemy firepower, it can significantly reduce it as well! Found in the UK site, Space Marine section, "Space Marine Tank Tactics" GW UK Tank Tactics Two reasons that 'argument' wont work. 1) That's not a rule in a rulebook or codex. It's not even a rule. That's *just* a note on possible tactics. 2) That tactica was written, IIRC, still during 3E (at best durring the initial 3.5E -> 4E chang-over). Things worked differently then than they do now, drastically. Wargear and upgrades have changed in how they work. Right now you use whatever is in *your* codex and that's it, unless an FAQ comes out to spread it out amongst other similar armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 well its grey knights specific so no basically. but it sort of functions like power of the machine spirit which the grey knights land raiders didnt used to have. and the assault vehicle thing is a given for any land raider. the assault ramp thing is wonderfully obvious, but in the case of codex loyalist and templars, by RAW, it is no longer "open topped" with regard to assaulting after disembarkation. the rule for that was in the 4th ed. BBB and did not make it into the C:SM, C:BT, nor C:WH 5th ed FAQ. DH (via FAQ)/DA/BA/CSM codicies have a specific entry in the list or special rule "assault vehicle" (which is not in the BBB so can't really apply to the above groups). For now, at least, codex marine, WH, and BT armies don't have assault ramps in the 4th ed. way, though I would think that most friendly games would ignore this oversight until the fix (at least for codex marines) in september/october. new rules, same old GW... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisc86 Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 Im sorry but how could GW be so stupid as to give that to grey knights and not to everyone else especially when they just made a faq for everyone else too. Why why why? :cuss :pinch: <_< Also i was just wondering about Potms. I play black templar and i use crap load of LR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praeger Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Im sorry but how could GW be so stupid as to give that to grey knights and not to everyone else especially when they just made a faq for everyone else too. Why why why? Game balance. Points equalizer To make the model sell beter To make their one tank last longer Becouse they want to play god Any and all these reaosons plus more could be the answer - but the end result is its grey knights only Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Im sorry but how could GW be so stupid as to give that to grey knights and not to everyone else especially when they just made a faq for everyone else too. Why why why? Game balance. Points equalizer To make the model sell beter To make their one tank last longer Becouse they want to play god Any and all these reaosons plus more could be the answer - but the end result is its grey knights only You left off the important possibility of error. GW could intend all POTMS to work this way, but forgot to tell us. Of course, if this is the case, hopefully they fix it soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1637697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1638402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorPhred Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 It bears mentioning, they did not 'give' it to GKs. That is the rule as it's already written in the Daemon Hunters Codex, they didn't change or upgrade it. The change in the FAQ is that it now comes as standard kit on the LR, doesn't have to be bought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1638606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotSoup Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Yea, saw a while ago. The major problem is the lack of Assault Vehicle rules for all loyalist except BA/GK. Evil. GW will fix it, but it better be soon. Rather soon, or they are kinda leaving us with a 3 legged horse of a LR/LRC. Assault Vehicle/ramp made that tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1638756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 It bears mentioning, they did not 'give' it to GKs. That is the rule as it's already written in the Daemon Hunters Codex, they didn't change or upgrade it. The change in the FAQ is that it now comes as standard kit on the LR, doesn't have to be bought. not in my version of the dex, POTMS and Assault ramps/Assault vehicle special rule aren't mentioned in the book at all (not in the army list entries for transports, GKLR/C, or the vehicle upgrades) though there are known to be at least 2 printings so YMMV. Personally, my beef is with the assault ramp/vehicle rules (who needs a BS 2 robogunner?). DA/BA and CSM have it (dex), GK were given it (but, specifically only GKLR/Cs by FAQ, not dedicated LR transports for troops, Inq's w/ retinues, etc...), but C:SM/BT only have a "front assault ramp" with no special rules given or inferrable (because RAW is so unyielding like that). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1639021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 New FAQ on UK site (can't check US at work) states that C:SM LR/Cs get Assault vehicle rule - assaults may be launched from any access point. this is similar to the BA codex, IIR. now only BT, SW(?), WH and DH (non grey knight) LRs are left without assualt ramps. oh, and there are still at least 2 versions of PoTMS floating around... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1640451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisc86 Posted July 25, 2008 Author Share Posted July 25, 2008 All i can say is wow GW, What are you guys doing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1640919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakkhenkc Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Here's an interesting observation: The DH FAQ does not state the machine spirit fires with a BS of 2. Does this mean it will fire at the land raider's BS 4? The WH FAQ specifically states 'BS 2', so why the difference? Oversight or balance issue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1642661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpideyScott Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 The DH FAQ potms applies to grey knight land raiders only and yes its at bs 4 since bs 2 is not mentioned. The UK and US DH codex doesnt have potms listed but the french one does. As for the difference i believe the GK potms will be in the new marine codex and the older version will be used for inquisition forces. Although the GW could faq it to bs2, i hope they dont. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141593-land-raiders-in-5th/#findComment-1642713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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