CplHicks Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Ok i'm rather new here and need some help with a conversion i'm doing. I need to know the following:- 1. How to sculpt a hand flipping someone the bird. 2. How to sculpt an aquilla (spelling?) that would go on a necklace, but about the size of the books that are on the grey knights shoulder pad. Cheers guys and gals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 sculpting is all about combining simple shapes to make a complex one..looks at what you are sculpting, and take it apart a hand is just a bunch of cylinders while joints are made by pressing in a bit an aquila is just a bunch of flattened cylinders with straight edges for the wings, and then a simple shape for the eagle or skull or whatever you put in the middle a tutorial will simply show you the way to break down and recreate a complex object with many simple steps always sculpt less than you have to, never more, its always better to go several rounds rather than all at once, this applies to building large shapes like bodies/limbs, or even some smaller detailed stuff like the eagles you may find it easier to sculpt certain parts on top of others, or once other parts have dried so you dont ruin them...for example sculpt the bird before the wings, this way you have something to help you gauge the balance of the wings(are they straight? even? etc) it also makes it easier when sculpting it because you dont have to worry about ruining your aquilas shape by pushing too hard however if you want to do the aquila on many shoudler pads look into GS press moulding, just press GS into the aquila(whether its sculpted or whatever) let dry take the GS off and bam you have a mould, make sure to put some talc or something between so the GS doesnt stick to the piece you are moulding.....or you can simply buy some FW brass etching hope this helps Starks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1370723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher The Fallen Angel Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I did the "Bird Flipper" Comversion on one of my marines. What you have to do is get an Xacto knife (Or Stanley Trimmer etc) and cut the LEFT hand that holds the barrel of the bolter in between each finger. You must be careful when doing this. Next, you have to heat the hand up by holding it it warm water or under a hot lamp until the plastic becomes flexible. Bend the fingers down (Except the middle one of course ;) ) and there you have it. A marine who can tell it like it is. Regards, Cypher Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1389471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kha'delath Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Ive never used GS before except to fill in inseen gaps. Im ok at very simple stuff, but struggle with even basic conversions. I find teh best way to learn is through practice, but i tryed to GS a robe today and lets say it was absoluty terrible. would anyone be so kind as to show me the path to light on learning how to use that green sticky stuff effectivly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1417554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
varthrok_revived Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I'm ne to this aswell, but I hv some tips: use wet sculpting tool, fingers even wet the greenstuff (this stops it being sticky, and stops fingerprints) be patient work in layers (for example, get the basic shape, wait for it to dry and then do details) also, with robes, have a really good look at other robed models first and see what they look like. I suggest taking thin strips of greenstuff to make the basic shape (including some bigger folds), and then once it is dry, do all the little folds in the fabric. it will be easier to do this once the rest of the greenstuf ist moving around all the time. hope this helps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1417655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmarauder Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Good tips there, the wet aspect id very important to get a smooth consistent texture on items like robes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1418178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnolan Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Be very careful not to overwet the greenstuff. You want a thin layer or water/spit/or vaseline on it, too much will lead to the greenstuff not behaving at all and not sticking to anything which ive found to be MORE frustrating then anything. If you can find them get color/clay shapers. Theyre basically pencils with differently shaped soft rubber tips, theyre excellent for shaping greenstuff. The biggest thing though (and something i occasionally forget) is to work in layers. Mix up your greenstuff until its the same color throughout. Leave it alone for 15-20 minutes. This lets it harden a little and lose some stickiness both of which make it easier to work with. When you finish making the base structure for whatever youre adding LEAVE IT ALONE. Either go do something else or start working on another model. I promise you if you keep working on that same model you will inadvertently touch your greenstuff work and ruin it. Then youll have to fix it and while doing so ruin another part by touching it. Just save yourself the headache. Once the part you finished has had a couple of hours to set (24 if you really want to be safe) you can go back and either layer new work on the old or start on another part of the model. For robes id recommend adding the base of the robe in several peices so you only have to pay attention to one peice at a time. Measure it out and make your greenstuff to size (after letting it harden), cutting it with a wet exacto blade (cut straight down, dont drag) to the size/shape you desire. For dynamic folds your going to want to create those by literally just bending the greenstuff sheet to match what youre thinking of before attaching the greenstuff to the model. For more mundane folds you can go back later with a snake of greenstuff and smooth either side into the robe to create them. Hope that helped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1418328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4155 Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 hi can any one show or tell me how to improve my GS skilles thanks. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1427435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Shrike Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 there are a lot of threads about this. check out this link. and before others tell you harshly, the "search" tool (commonly known as searchy or search-fu) is located at the top of the screen or in your assistant is very helpful ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1427472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4155 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 i have used the search befor but it only works on monday. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1427699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Shrike Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 yup, it is very finnicky. sometimes it brings me to what I call the "white screen of death" that is a blank window, as if the page is still loading. only firefox says "done" at the bottom. :) other times it says no results when I search for very general keywords, like "Raven Guard". oh well. nothing's perfect. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1431568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 the best way to improve is buy some colour shapers...they are excellent for use with greenstuff, some dont use them but everyone who does LOVES them next, learn to break down everything in nature to its basic components/shapes, sculpting is all about combining simple shapes to create complex ones then learn how to create textures by doig certain motions and after that(or even during) learn about all the other wonderful sculpting putties better for certain parts milliput, magic sculpt, fimo/sculpey...a mix of them GS and milliput, or GS and magic sculpt, or whatever(fimo sculpey require baking though so i wouldnt mix) then its practice, you cant improve without doing it, and no tutorial will EVER make you a better sculptor, tutorials give knowledge and ideas, they dont teach you application...video tutorials show movements, but actually doing them yourself is all self taught :P Starks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1432042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulas Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Hey Starks, i did a searchy on the interwebby, the color shapers look like a good investment. any recommendations on where to order a set of them in Canada. (west coast preferable but the webby is everywhere) thanks for pointing out these tools, should make some conversions much easier. (been stuck using the GW tool and some toothpicks) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1434817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
anggrath the unbound Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 thx for the idea starks helped alot --anggrath-- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1438195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divergent Reality Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 well, you can check out where distributors are in canada and see what is near you. i even found a place that sells them near me. horray for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1440601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
njm3 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'd stress what was said before... don't just stick to GS. Depending on what you are trying to accomplish, milliput may be MUCH better. For plugging a hole in a tank or gap filling, milliput dries harder and is easier to sand and smooth. Its very frustrating trying to get a smooth flat surface with GS when it keeps acting rubbery and peeling at the edges. I also like how milliput reacts with water, lets you get a nice clean surface before it dries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1440605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 sorry i didnt see this earlier, I order my sculpting tools and paint brushes from dickblick.com great site, and great prices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1444277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziellycas Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Well everyone know who is scibor, well in his homepage there is a tutorial about making some details like him (well he use a numeric control cad machine with 3D project but who care about it?) making a small "mould" useful to make a series of details to decor armor and similar... well I've tried somethig similar failing a lot of times because I don't have the right tools and materials... yesterday evening I've made a new try... I've used WAX, warmed it in a glass putted in a pot full of water (something like melting chocolate for cakes :D ), when liquifyed, I've poured the wax in a not too deep rectangular bowl. When becomed hard, I've printed a word mirrored and attached on the wax "plate". With a metal point I've made a track following the word, when finished I've removed the paper and carved the surface following the slight hint traced before, then 've used the good old green stuff.... and this is the result: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/RazielLycas/waxwork.jpg?t=1199822350 it doesn't look exact the same as the word but is enought similar to be nice. I hope tha this cuold be useful ;) Ps: in the pics of the wax mould the word is upside down <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1463323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziellycas Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 :P I think that this thing could be useful... but maybe it isn't .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1463887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 It is very useful. Melting the wax in a double-boiler (bain Marie) makes sense. Are the words carved backwards in the wax using a reflection in a mirror? That seems like the most difficult part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renik Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 very handy thing to have and can see good few uses for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziellycas Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 It is very useful. Melting the wax in a double-boiler (bain Marie) makes sense. Are the words carved backwards in the wax using a reflection in a mirror? That seems like the most difficult part. not a reflection in a mirror, I mean that the word I've printed on paper was mirrored with photoshop and then printed, if you carved directly the word, your piece will looks "reflected". To have an idea of what I have to carve I printed on paper the word then put the paper on wax and tracked with a metal tools the word itself, removed the paper and well carved the word on the wax surface. Here the normal word then the "mirrored" word and then the piece out from the wax mold if you correctly carve the mirrored word and then if you carve directly the word. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/RazielLycas/waxwork2.jpg I hope that know is a bit more clear... sorry for my poor english -______-" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortis Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Very good idea. I think I am going to put this to some excellent use with my Daemonhunters. Oh, love the good/wrong pics lol. Gave me a good laugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Plasticard Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Very helpful! I plan on using it extensively on my BT army. Thanks! Cheers, Brother P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Very good idea. I think I am going to put this to some excellent use with my Daemonhunters. Oh, love the good/wrong pics lol. Gave me a good laugh. I love it that he simple inverted the right/wrong pics. Though I must say that its a cheap and pretty easy way of doing stuff like this. Probably doesn't work for thing with more depth to it though. E.g. no making angels/skull helmets this way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141908-faq-green-stuff-basics/#findComment-1464983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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