Rhomdruil Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 What do you Word Bearer players use for a Dark Apostle under the new codex? Thanks in advance! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Chaos Lord with Power Weapon, Mark of Tzeentch and personal icon I use mine that way with an extra disc of Tzeentch like Jarulek from the Dark Apostle novel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Chaos lord with daemon weapon would suffice, the rest of the options dont really matter other than the marks...As soon as you put a specific mark on the lord, you are no longer a word bearer army in my humble opinion and anyone that does so is not truly one of the great host. :D I usually run a chaos lord in termie armor with a daemon weapon and combi-melta when i run a lord otherwise i stick with an unmarked daemon prince with wings/warptime. Good luck bud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Chaos Lord with mark of tzeentch, daemon weapon, icon, and sometimes a plasma pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Chaos Lord with mark of tzeentch, daemon weapon, icon, and sometimes a plasma pistol. Wouldn't that give him a Deathscreamer? Not a good weapon to resemble an Accursed Crozius in my opinion. Or is it allowed to choose a DW whatever the mark? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 tbh just paint it like one for the rulesness your just gonna have to deal with it I see where you guys are coming from The mark of TZ to represent the rosarius (SP) and the Demon Wep to represnt the acursed crozarious (old one was a dmeon wep + shows the ex-chappys awsomeness in combat) but i agree with the above... The mark of TZ would make the wep a deathscreamer and the deathscreamer is just so-un chaplainy is untrue You could work it with fluff and explanation but you'll have to explain it each time you play someone lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azadul Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Just model it so that deathscreamer is actually an accursed crozius and a prototype gun. Simple. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have it as modelled an old school plasma pistol that, while lower strengthed, could fire multiple times. On a 1 it overheats, just like a plasma pistol, and since it's much more unstable than a standard plasma pistol, it would take an invulnerable save to be okay. It's more than perfect in awesome ways. Or it's the Apostle spitting such vitriol towards his enemies that they fall over in pain or something, but that's lame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have it as modelled an old school plasma pistol that, while lower strengthed, could fire multiple times. On a 1 it overheats, just like a plasma pistol, and since it's much more unstable than a standard plasma pistol, it would take an invulnerable save to be okay. It's more than perfect in awesome ways. Or it's the Apostle spitting such vitriol towards his enemies that they fall over in pain or something, but that's lame. Well, considering that Dark Apostles generally tend to make contracts etc with Daemons to the left and to the right all the time it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that one or two of them might develop 'psychic powers' :P A roll of a 1 on the Deathscreamer would mean that he simply failed his psychic test :lol: TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1647752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
40kChrista Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 My own is a termie lord with MoT, Demon weapon, and icon... that way i still get the 4++ from the wargear, get the power weapon and the bonus attacks are just that, a bonus. I only really use the Deathscreamer shooting after deep striking with 5 other termies with combi-plasma. ;) To model it I just used the force staff arm from the lord box, but clipped the top of the staff off and used the flaming skull brazier from the corpse cart sprue, nothing like beating someone about the head and eyes with a basketful of skulls on fire. :confused: Grim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I tend to go with the Mark of Slaanesh with Lash to work like the old Demagouge ability. His words entrance his enemies... Other common configs: MoT, Demon weapon.... Undivided with Demon weapon... Never really seen anyone go towards MoK or MoN. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I tend to go with the Mark of Slaanesh with Lash to work like the old Demagouge ability. His words entrance his enemies... Other common configs: MoT, Demon weapon.... Undivided with Demon weapon... Never really seen anyone go towards MoK or MoN. The lash thing is seriously laughable...Just another excuse to use lash for someone who cant play without :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I totally agree. People will come up with the most absurd excuses to put a lash in their army. A DA's demegogue ability incites WB's to fanatical ferver, making those around him fearless. It does not entice enemy solders to go run and huddle up underneth the nearest falling ord. shell. MoTz I can kinda as DA got a 4+invul (but I do think you run into problems w/ the deathscreamer). But giving a "DA" MoS and lash is just an excuse to compansate for tactics (and a lame excuse at that), and believe me your opponents feel the same way, reguardless of the BS you spread over it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Abbadon the Despoiler. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 lord with power/daemon weapon. MoT for the inv save (used to be 4+ of the crozius).. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1648995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I tend to go with the Mark of Slaanesh with Lash to work like the old Demagouge ability. His words entrance his enemies... Other common configs: MoT, Demon weapon.... Undivided with Demon weapon... Never really seen anyone go towards MoK or MoN. The lash thing is seriously laughable...Just another excuse to use lash for someone who cant play without :( I totally agree. People will come up with the most absurd excuses to put a lash in their army.A DA's demegogue ability incites WB's to fanatical ferver, making those around him fearless. It does not entice enemy solders to go run and huddle up underneth the nearest falling ord. shell. MoTz I can kinda as DA got a 4+invul (but I do think you run into problems w/ the deathscreamer). But giving a "DA" MoS and lash is just an excuse to compansate for tactics (and a lame excuse at that), and believe me your opponents feel the same way, reguardless of the BS you spread over it. The 3,5 'dex did say that models with Demagogue are great orators (as did the IA article). And the very definition of being an orator is to be able to manipulate both friend and foe with the clever use of words, for instance to be able to confuse them into going into the opposite direction as a simple example. ;) Also remember to keep it civil. :D TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1649014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 It did say they were great orators "able to incite his brethern (other WB's) to fanatical ferver (WB's page, C:csm 3.5). It doesn't say anything about convincing enemy solders to "go away". Convincing attacking enemy solders in the middle of a battle to "go over there, so we can shoot and drop ord. on you" goes WAY beyond any defination of demegogue or orator, even for a fanatsy game ;) - "remember to keep it civil".....check...my bad :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1649090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I agree with chillin on this. I was hesitant to use the MoT at first, because of the WB's worshipping the gods as a pantheon. But it does give it the old 4+ inv. sv. and besides that a Dark Apostle is after all an ambitious and a manipulative individual (both are machinations of Tzeentch will). The v3.5 Crozius counted as a power weapon that gave the user an inv. and an undivided icon. Under the new codex a MoT, personal icon and power weapon is 35 pts., the old crozius upgrade was 40 pts. and the new Lord is already fearless so... And I like to point out my earlier reference from the novel again, so a MoT is acceptable fluffwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1649128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 It did say they were great orators "able to incite his brethern (other WB's) to fanatical ferver (WB's page, C:csm 3.5).It doesn't say anything about convincing enemy solders to "go away". Convincing attacking enemy solders in the middle of a battle to "go over there, so we can shoot and drop ord. on you" goes WAY beyond any defination of demegogue or orator, even for a fanatsy game :) But a fantasy game where said orator also most likely has daemons doing his bidding and whom are able to whisper suggestions into the subcounsius of the enemy from the nether beyond without them having even the slightest clue? :) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1649157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I'd still insist that the MoT is perfectly acceptable, as it counts as two things: their classic corrupt rosarius and an experimental plasma pistol (or the kai gun). MoS is also quite good...on a Chaos LORD. Dishing out instant death and gaining +1 Initiative for what, 5 pts? It's tasty to me. Fluff though, erm, his oratory makes the enemy stumble and doubt themselves, long enough for him to take advantage of their distraction to strike first. Khorne and Nurgle just don't do it for me though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1649205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gothard Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Probably the 'best-in-terms-of-fluff' way to represent a Dark Apostle is a Terminator Lord / Sorceror with a Daemon weapon and personal icon. I use a lord in TDA with power weapon and combi-bolter for mine. I mark him out as a Dark Apostle using my modelling skills: plenty of purity seals, some scrolls hanging from chains, and a censer on his belt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1650557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I use a lord in TDA with power weapon and combi-bolter for mine. I mark him out as a Dark Apostle using my modelling skills: plenty of purity seals, some scrolls hanging from chains, and a censer on his belt. That's almost the same as I modelled mine. :tu: Using DA censers clipped from the rope and attached to a chain. I don't know wether putting him in a Termi suit would make him more fluff somehow. I haven't read a novel or short story with an Apostle in termi armor, though I have seen some great conversions of a Termi Dark Aposle. It depends how you are going to field them: with a group of Terminators or formign a warrior coven with chosen marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1650750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gothard Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I don't know wether putting him in a Termi suit would make him more fluff somehow. I haven't read a novel or short story with an Apostle in termi armor, though I have seen some great conversions of a Termi Dark Aposle. It depends how you are going to field them: with a group of Terminators or formign a warrior coven with chosen marines. It doesn't really matter at all for fluff. I also have a Dark Apostle with wings and an accursed crozius made out of the WHFB Nurgle generals scythe haft and some chaos icon parts. I also have a foot slogging apostle for use alongside his warrior brothers. But it just so happens that my 5th ed list has terminators in land raiders ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1651181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I haven't read a novel or short story with an Apostle in termi armor, though I have seen some great conversions of a Termi Dark Aposle. well there was this one they kept in stasis all the time . from one of theIn to the Melstorm stories about the imperial comander/governor watching his planet fall to chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/142399-word-bearers-dark-apostle/#findComment-1651349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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