IW fluff

[kharn_the_betrayer]

I have been working on some IW stuff and trying to keep my army list fluffy as possible and have some questions after reading storm of iron.

 

1) Are the following things fluffy: dp, sorcerer, daemons of any kind. I am taking this from the old dex where it said that they weren't daemon freindly.

2)I'm working a siege gunline style list and plan on at least one vindi would I be better off with devs or a landraider.

 

Fluff is fun and although I like winning I am not going to field things for effectiveness rather then they work for the fluff

[FerrumIgnatus]

First of all, Warsmiths do elevate to Daemonhood for their gruel actions. Sorcerors and lesser daemons are used as weapons against the enemy, and it is known that a certain "warsmith" has kicked a Bloodthirster in its face to do his bidding.

 

Secondly, if your aiming at a siege gunline -do you mean trenchline by this?- use at least one Vindie and two ten-man squads of Havocs with either a combo of lascannons and heavy bolters or rocket launchers and heavy bolters. A pair of Obliterators would just fit in nicely, as would a squad of Terminators for the added punch. lastly two to three ten-man squads of troops would be your objective-holding, special weapons wielding (meltaguns= fluffy Iron Warrior army) backbone, led by your warsmith in Termie armour, combi melta and daemon weapon.

 

my two cents, FI

[kharn_the_betrayer]

Also would you reccomend the IW upgrade kits for fluffy looking? I meant to edit this in but didn't think about it. :tu: I was going to order shoulder pads all the same but am debating the heads and torsos mixed in. Also that las cannon is sweet.

[Cornelias]

sure if you've got the cash it might be good to get atleast 1 set of torso's for your champs and/or warsmiths( i usually have a few lords in various set-ups so i can switch when making army lists up).

 

also about your fluff, read the last book in the ultramarine trilogy it shows IW warsmiths using sorcs etc during a siege. if you enjoyed storm of iron it's a must read and has some great character for basing an IW army on but i'll not say too much for fear of spoiling it for u heh :tu:

[chillin]

DP's and sorc are fine, C:csm 3.5 said that IW's did NOT use daemons,I think in other places it said that they did, so I guess it is up to you. Also 3.5 dex sz the IW's use no mark but undivided but IA artical sz that they have brzrkrs as breach assault troops, so again You could go either way. If you did use brzrkrs or IoK I would model and paint them as IW's NOT WE's.

Vindis, havocs (not devs), LR, oblits, anything from hvy support is of course approprate for IW's.

Having all shoulder pads the same would really go towards a uniform look, if you are talking about the old metal IW shoulder pads, you have to file down the upper arm of the plastic models to make the pads fit. Con get old if you have to do it 50+ times.

Not sure what you mean by "debating heads and torso mixed in " ???

If you like the looks of the LC, that's fine, maybe use one in a havoc squad with the rest ML's, but LC's are too expensive IMO costing almost 2X ML for 1 more str (that is negated by eldar stuff btw)

[Cornelias]

about your possessed, it's perfectly fine and you can even have some fun modelling them....

 

i used normal CSM legs/bodies and then some necromunda pit slave arms as CCW, and some skeleton heads(specifically the head with an eye remaining which i painted red termnator style :) ) painted metallic, then green stuff and wires added to taste.

 

my idea came from the 3.5 ed codex CSM which stated..............

 

" although their possessed are unusual in that they harness bound daemonic energies to power an array of cybernetic enhancements"

 

was my favourite unit until the new codex which took away their bolt pistols :/ i also have a new army so my IW are shelved atm.

[FerrumIgnatus]

An idea for your possessed: Use LOTS of guitar strings to represent mechandendrites, several necron bits; like arms, legs or heads to represent bionics, and, if your Kung Green Stuff Fu allows you to, sculpt some Obliterator-style morphing ligthning claws/chainfist/chainswords out of the possessed's arms.

 

As for the upgrade kit, go for it. Use it on some of your IW's and see your army basking in the sun of awesomeness.

[Jarulek]

Great thing about IW is that you can fields some awesome equipment without being unfluffy. You're not an absolute cheese for fielding two units of oblits for example. They are also flexible when it come to fluff style of paly. Do you want a defensive force or an assault force. Iron Warriors are know to dare their opponents into attacking their fortifications (C:CSM v3.5) and the infamous trap against the Imperial Fist (their nemesis) after the Horus Heresy.

 

You could also combine the two elements. If you want to make a defensive force, one that relies on long range fire support and remaining in cover, you should go with lots of lascannons and missile launchers. If you want an assault force go with vindicators, squads with melta mounted in rhinos, Termi's mounted in Land Raiders etc.

 

I would buy those bitz packs if I were you. They give extra character to your army. Also, if you have some money left, you could by some industrial bases. They are not really expensive and also add a lot of character.

 

Finally, Index Astartes I stated that IW's squads are numbered in multiples of 3. Some people who just play to win are very an*l about that sort of things, but you can make a good fighting force even with fluff.

Make a 12 man squad with soem long range firepower and keep it in cover to lay down a hail of lasfire and bullets on your opponent. Make another 9-man squad with a melta and mount them up in a rhino along with a warsmith* for close combat.

 

*I'd use Chaos Lord with combi-melta and powerfist. You can buy a model at the GW store. It's armed with a combi-melta and servo-arm. The servo-arm counted as a powerfist in v3.5 with repairing abilities. It's the closest you'll get. Give the aspiring champion also a powerfist and you can deal quite some punch :P

 

...a shoot, now I want to play IW too

 

Oh, also. You could use some space marine cc servitors for possessed models and paint their skin in a light rotten tone.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

1) Are the following things fluffy: dp, sorcerer, daemons of any kind. I am taking this from the old dex where it said that they weren't daemon freindly.

 

Yep as the other have said, useing Sorcerer, Daemon Prince are fine. Also a unit of Khorne Bezerker (well per-heresy World Eater &/or Blood Angels, also some IW during SoI where close to being Bezerker) where use after a wall was bretch (sp?) along with other colose combat specil in the Iron Warriors army. So your fine there as long as you don't use Daemons.

On a side note you could alway use "count as" with the like of Pleage (sp) Marines, with the feel no pain... can alway rep by a unit of heavy Bionic troopers, Thasound Son's can alway rep a specil elite unit... think Star War clone armies with the ARC trooper kind of thing.

 

2)I'm working a siege gunline style list and plan on at least one vindi would I be better off with devs or a landraider.

Why not have one of each? Just come down to what you really want in your force as there are other stuff there like Obliterators ;) If I wsa you maybe get one of each, change them between games, also be good model projects.

 

Also would you reccomend the IW upgrade kits for fluffy looking? I meant to edit this in but didn't think about it. I was going to order shoulder pads all the same but am debating the heads and torsos mixed in. Also that las cannon is sweet.

 

You don't have to as such. But just look cool. I tend to use a lot of the IW heads, but keep with the chaos marine bodies with the plastic kits (not a fan of the metal IW bodies). I also tend to use a lot of T face bezerker heads adding little camera from the Space Marine helmets. You could also use a few Black Templar head as well if you want. But if money not so great just mix thing up with the IW add on set/conversion set.

IW shoulder pads, they do look very cool on the army & I defo try get everone IW with one in the army. I make sure that everone my trooper had a IW shoulder pad as they are cool & well worth it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

after reading storm of iron.

You should also read Dead Sun, Black Sky (?) which is the after effect of SoI. In fact I need to give it a re-read for some idea of my own while I get my IW ready for the UKGT.

 

IP

[Kothal Ironfist]

I always try and avoid many of the 'stereotypes' when it comes to playing IW. I don't have 9 Obliterators and 4 squads of havocs, for instance.

 

As for looking like proper IWs, well, my army was started many years ago which means my painting quality varies from model to model and there is no real conistent look for my army - some possess colors and bases that don't match the rest of the force.

 

But then again I've been slowly colecting and painting this force over 8 years, with a number of breaks in-between, so there is no real suprise there!

[The Either]

don't know wheather this has been said but u could use the iron hands box set 4 the bionic parts

[Roultox]

You could represent cult models as enhancements from the techno virus, bionics and so on (Paint the required WYSIWYG mark on the models base for tourny value, the base is still technicly the model for arguments sake)

 

With that said, you can go as far as your imagination takes it, so long as you tell your opponent what's what before hand.

 

As far as fielding fluff, its simple. Zerker Iron Warriors (They had such units in old fluff) Oblits, Defilers(Kinda iffy but they have 'em), Basilisks(For apoc), regular warriors, lots of heavy and special weapons and any vehicles you want to field along with lots of termy armor and any other high tech stuff they've aquired (VDR vehicles, Apocalypse toys, etc).

 

For the regular fluff, its suggested you read the novels including IW fluff for official wording when mainstream fluff mentioned in temporary books such as codexes seem to get canned all the time.

[FerrumIgnatus]

You know what I find a bit wierd? that no one has said to Khârn that he should add dead Imperial Fist trophies on his Iron Warriors tanks and dreads... fluffwise, so to speak.

 

<talks with his bionic, daemon-possessed arm>

-we hates them pesky yellow lapdogs, don't we, precious?-

 

well...now you know. :o

[kharn_the_betrayer]

You know what I find a bit wierd? that no one has said to Khârn that he should add dead Imperial Fist trophies on his Iron Warriors tanks and dreads... fluffwise, so to speak.

 

<talks with his bionic, daemon-possessed arm>

-we hates them pesky yellow lapdogs, don't we, precious?-

 

well...now you know. :P

 

 

There is some advice worth following. ;) I actually have a BUNCH of spare SM parts (helmets and pads especially) after building DA, BT, and SW, so I have lots of generic spares that I can use fairly well and yellow isn't too hard to paint. This would probably be decoration on elites and hqs.

 

*I'd use Chaos Lord with combi-melta and powerfist. You can buy a model at the GW store. It's armed with a combi-melta and servo-arm. The servo-arm counted as a powerfist in v3.5 with repairing abilities. It's the closest you'll get. Give the aspiring champion also a powerfist and you can deal quite some punch :lol:

 

I actually planned on it b/c I love the model

 

You don't have to as such. But just look cool. I tend to use a lot of the IW heads, but keep with the chaos marine bodies with the plastic kits (not a fan of the metal IW bodies). I also tend to use a lot of T face bezerker heads adding little camera from the Space Marine helmets. You could also use a few Black Templar head as well if you want. But if money not so great just mix thing up with the IW add on set/conversion set.

IW shoulder pads, they do look very cool on the army & I defo try get everone IW with one in the army. I make sure that everone my trooper had a IW shoulder pad as they are cool & well worth it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

IP

 

I was planning on pads for ALL the pa ones. As for TDA not sure what to do guess going standard. If I start this now I'm getting the one box for 240 (i forget the name) and if I can afford it getting the 90 one as well (you always need termies) but Ordering the pads and like 2 upgrades right off the bad just to make sure I don't only have HBs in my army (they needed a few more heavies in that plastic box. The IW torsos and heads would be mixed into the squads randomly and if I make PA chosen oh yes all IW parts (older cooler armor on the vets).

 

Thanks for the input so far and you have me thinking about units I didn't think of. Also the big box comes with all heavies but a pred and havoks. I'm not a big devie fan so the havoks might not get in depends.

[Cornelias]

lately i've been toying with the idea of using a havoc squad with 4 missle launchers mounted in a rhino with a havoc launcher ;)

[Zeller]

See previous C:CSM IW section for flufflistic restrictions.