What do you guys feel about proxy movement?

[Joah from Alberta]

I have an opponent that I am playing against. We are playing for ante and it's best out of 3. The ante is not the problem (no it's not gambling and I don't care if I lose unpainted minis). The problem I have is that my opponent will move his stuff and sometimes move it back. I know in chess, as a universal house rule if you take your hand off the piece than you can't take your move back. When he moves a model(s) and takes it back, I feel that he is somehow checking range (although more abstract).

 

Also, do skimmers block LOS in 5th?

[chillin]

I would have a problem with him moving things then moving them back also. I think checking range is exactly what he is doing, that or moving it to see what situtation/danger he is putting the unit in (counter charges etc.), and then deciding if he wants to do it or not. Both of those things are to be done in your head by estimation and visualization WITHOUT moving the models and then moving then back.

I would not let him do it, and you could use the rule book to show plenty of reasons why he can not do that, using the movement, shooting and assault, rulrs sections.

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Have no answer for your LoS/skimmer Q, that would be anything more then my opinion.

[Blackavar]

I can't remember about skimmers and LOS in 5th, so I won't even attempt an answer to that.

 

On the matter of moving models, then moving them back, I'd politely ask him not to do that - I can't see a reason for it, unless you had a plan and momentarily forgot what you were going to do and moved a unit by mistake. That shouldn't happen very often; is your opponent doing this a lot? I maybe do it once a game, usually not even that. If he's doing it every turn or two I'd say something.

[JamesI]

We have true Line of Sight. If the skimmer blocks true line of sight, it blocks. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

 

As an example, a Tau Devilfish modeled on a low base might block line of sight while one on the normal base wouldn't.

[Joah from Alberta]

Sadly the last game he did an entire remove of his skimmer/disembark then when he figured something wrong in his movement (I can't remember what he couldn't do specifically) he flatly stated "well then, if I would have known that I wouldn't have moved ... I'm taking my move back". The sad part is that I ended up losing the game, although I attribute this more to the fact that I was hung like a sorry dog (from the inebriating celebrations the night prior).

 

I'm going to physically open the book and check the skimmer's rule: it's sitting on my comp desk just a foot away from me ... I think ... I can ... reach it ... and ...

 

Well, maybe not. heh heh. I dunno. I'm walk a very fine line with my friendships. I have a boat-load of old friends, two of which are awesome and play Warhammer 40k with us (my son and I). I met these new people through a skank store in the city. His logic is scrupulous but also very sneaky. Squirly little man. Aargh!!! I am so possessed to accept vermin if I myself am to mingle in their furry stink. With little teeth that go, gnawh! gnawh! gnawh! Well, :cuss. I guess one must learn to dance the equilibrium in all fairness. Such is life.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Stop overcomplicating it and tell him you are pretty sure its not legal, but you don't mind it too much in a casual game, but that he can't do it in competitive/tourny ones etc.

[Ju'kosian]

As an example, a Tau Devilfish modeled on a low base might block line of sight while one on the normal base wouldn't.

I guess I'll see a lot of low based skimmers on tournaments ^_^

[ComradeRed]

I believe you are allowed in 5th edition to measure before you move, but not move the piece and then move it back (without opponent's permission of course).

[Joah from Alberta]

I'm all better now. I got some poor customer service from the local skank store yesterday. It's my bad, I allowed the situation to get out of hand, and the experience left a bad taste in my head. It's the old: get your hopes up for the movie and suffer throughout the show catch-22. I bought my son a bike today and I feel much better. It's good to feel good.

 

So yeah, thanks for the explanation, you can measure the distance but once you move, you shouldn't move it back. Okay gentlemen, on to greater valour.

[the jeske]

As an example, a Tau Devilfish modeled on a low base might block line of sight while one on the normal base wouldn't.

 

I guess I'll see a lot of low based skimmers on tournaments

and thats why GW tells you that skimers have to use the supplied based and nothing random otherwise they are illegal for game play . Really sucks if you have made some cool conversions for your RW army .