Starting Chaos, and painting woes.

[small_skater]

I don't know about you guys, but those spikey bits are driving me crazy. Just starting a chaos army. (word bearers), and im wondering how you guys paint your mini's. Do you paint the trim first and go over that, or the other way around?

 

I never had these problems woth my DA.

[Jarulek]

Depends on what you use for the armour itself.

 

First I apply the first basecoat with multiple thinned down layers, then I paint the metal trims and spikes. Wash them, and then higlight them. Then I correct any slip-ups with one or two basecoat-colours. Paint the second basecoat and wash the armor.

 

What colours do you use for the armour itself?

[small_skater]

Well so far i do a mixture of red gore and scorched brown, then red gore. After that i do a dry brush of red gore and blood red. That is whe i start to do the trim, but it always goes everywhere and its annoying me B)

[Jarulek]

Well so far i do a mixture of red gore and scorched brown, then red gore. After that i do a dry brush of red gore and blood red. That is whe i start to do the trim, but it always goes everywhere and its annoying me :D

 

Then you should finish the trim before you wash the armour so you can easily correct any slips. Use a small drybrush for the last highlight so you won't hit the metal trim.

[chillin]

I never had a prob w/ the paint going everywhere when I paint the trim. I do the main armor of the csm, then do the trim then add the final highlight to the (non-trim) armor.

Make sure you use a small enough brush for the trim.

And I'll probably get piled all over for saying this, I have before, but try non GW paints for the trim.

 

disclaimer * If you are one of the "no non-GW product should ever touch a GW mini b/c GW makes the best art/craft/modeling supplies mankind has ever know, so you have no idea what you are talking about" people, save it. I already heard it about 20X in the modeling/painting section when I made a simular suggestion. :D

I don't have a prob w/ my paint running all ove or drying out/getting clumpy, that's all I'm saying.

[Smurfalypse]

I never had a prob w/ the paint going everywhere when I paint the trim. I do the main armor of the csm, then do the trim then add the final highlight to the (non-trim) armor.

Make sure you use a small enough brush for the trim.

And I'll probably get piled all over for saying this, I have before, but try non GW paints for the trim.

 

disclaimer * If you are one of the "no non-GW product should ever touch a GW mini b/c GW makes the best art/craft/modeling supplies mankind has ever know, so you have no idea what you are talking about" people, save it. I already heard it about 20X in the modeling/painting section when I made a simular suggestion. :eek

I don't have a prob w/ my paint running all ove or drying out/getting clumpy, that's all I'm saying.

 

 

BLASPHEMY!!! HERETIC!!!!!

 

Im floored, how could you chillen..../cry /cry /cry, this is like when you said you would call me after our incredible night and you didnt. Im reliving the abandonment all over again.

 

LOL in all seriousness i actually water down my paint when i do the trim, but i use a very small amount and two different colors when i do it so, this kinda explains when i have running issues. Never have had them otherwise.

[teh_perfesser]

I never had a prob w/ the paint going everywhere when I paint the trim. I do the main armor of the csm, then do the trim then add the final highlight to the (non-trim) armor.

I've started painting semi-backwards. I have black trim over red plates, so I paint the trim then the plates. Then clean up the trim, highlight and finish. I do heads similarily, eyes first.

 

This makes it so I do less touch ups, as I seem to have more trouble 'staying in the lines' of the details then with the larger parts. I'd suggest folks try different methods if their current method is frustrating them, we all know there is no 'right' way (you might even find different methods for different models and different color combinations).

 

Make sure you use a small enough brush for the trim.

My understanding is that many of the best painters use 4/0-ish brushes for even the trim and highlights. Their brush control is just that good.

 

I have an 18/0 (tiny) brush for highlighting. It doesn't hold enough paint though--which might be the reason against using tiny brushes--so it can be a bit tough to work with.

 

And I'll probably get piled all over for saying this, I have before, but try non GW paints for the trim.

GW isn't a paint company. They have a great history of producing very well made minatures. They now produce rules to play games with those minatures.

 

They put their label on paint and sell it in their stores. That's all. People shouldn't get hung up on it.

[chillin]

I have an 18/0 (tiny) brush for highlighting. It doesn't hold enough paint though--which might be the reason against using tiny brushes--

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OMG... that's like 3 brush hairs, I didn't mean that small.

[small_skater]

so far i use a detail brush for everything, maybe i should buy a fine detail brush (used to have one but its been a few years since i did anything 40k and i seem to have lost all my brushes when moving house).

 

I've started painting semi-backwards. I have black trim over red plates, so I paint the trim then the plates. Then clean up the trim, highlight and finish. I do heads similarily, eyes first.

 

This makes it so I do less touch ups, as I seem to have more trouble 'staying in the lines' of the details then with the larger parts. I'd suggest folks try different methods if their current method is frustrating them, we all know there is no 'right' way (you might even find different methods for different models and different color combinations).

 

interesting, i'll try that.

[Blackavar]

I agree, a fine detail brush ought to help with the trim - I'm about to start a Red Corsairs force, so similar colours, and I fully expect to spend ages with my best brush gently adding metallics to the armour edges.

[small_skater]

Finished my first word bearer today. I am personally a bit dissapointed in him, i'd say im a better painter than this but i reckon i'll get better as i get more used to painting CSM.

 

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk470/NDC-OSPREY/080808174134-1.jpg

 

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk470/NDC-OSPREY/080808174156.jpg

[Jarulek]

The paint, the red especially, looks really thick. Try to thin your paint down even more and apply several layers.

 

Also, wash the metallics and highlight it again.

[small_skater]

The paint was thin, its just he was painted over one of my friends iron warrioRS (its okay i didn't steal it) thats probably the reason for the really thick paint. But yeah i will wash the trim. another thing is im really unhappy with the eyes, they just don't seem to stand out.

[Jarulek]

The paint was thin, its just he was painted over one of my friends iron warrioRS (its okay i didn't steal it) thats probably the reason for the really thick paint. But yeah i will wash the trim. another thing is im really unhappy with the eyes, they just don't seem to stand out.

 

You can remove the paint by giving it a bath of brake fluid.

[chillin]

Won't brake fluid eat a plastic mini ???

I would suggest pine-sol or simple green for stripping plastics

[Jarulek]

Won't brake fluid eat a plastic mini ???

I would suggest pine-sol or simple green for stripping plastics

 

Brake fluid should be ok. It's quite an aggressive substance though. Nailpolish remover should only be used on metal models.

[teh_perfesser]

OMG... that's like 3 brush hairs, I didn't mean that small.

I bought it thinking it would make eyes easier. It doesn't.

 

I've done some decent highlights with it. Depending on your wallet situation it's worth having, but if you have to pick between it and a second 4/0, get the second 4/0. One of the big problems with it is because the bristles are so short, they don't end up making a sharper point than a larger brush.

 

The paint was thin, its just he was painted over one of my friends iron warrioRS (its okay i didn't steal it) thats probably the reason for the really thick paint.

What you have under your red is far more important than, say what you'd have under green. Reds don't cover very well (the yellow-reds like Blood Red are much worse for coverage than purple-reds like Mechrite). And your red isn't bad at all, just too many layers under it make it a bit heavy in places. As long as this isn't a Golden Daemon entry, its alright.

 

another thing is im really unhappy with the eyes, they just don't seem to stand out.

Way flat for some reason. Eyes should be three layers from DA Green -> Snot Green -> Scorpion Green... you don't have to be perfect. Blob of DA, then a blob of snot leaving DA around the edges, then paint the front half of the Snot blob with a smaller blob of Scorpion. White dot and yer done. Even if you fail horribly you should end up with more depth.

 

There are a couple other ways... tomorrow I going to try painting the back half Snot and the front half scorpion, then washing with DA (since the wash will collect in the edges of the eyes). Zip zip, quick and easy, I hope.

 

I'm about to start a Red Corsairs force, so similar colours, and I fully expect to spend ages with my best brush gently adding metallics to the armour edges.

This is one of my first Corsairs test mini. He's just colour blocked (well, the red was shaded and gently highlighted for practice--I didn't even trim the smaller mold lines)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn74/teh_perfesser/ACM001_001.jpg

I've striped him since, and stopped priming black. The unit I'm working on now, is primed grey and which has given the Blood Red much more 'pop'.

 

Mostly what I've learned though is that red is a pain to paint. Next army will be Blue or Green Corsairs :D

[small_skater]

What you have under your red is far more important than, say what you'd have under green. Reds don't cover very well (the yellow-reds like Blood Red are much worse for coverage than purple-reds like Mechrite). And your red isn't bad at all, just too many layers under it make it a bit heavy in places. As long as this isn't a Golden Daemon entry, its alright.

yh, its juts a test model so im not to unhappy. Its just i do feel that im a better painter than this model shows, but he is my first CSM so i'll get better.

 

i heard some where that dettol gets rid of paint, and i've gopt that at home so i'll try that.

 

As for the eyes i haven't got snot green, but i can replace that with goblin green so hopefully not much difference.

[teh_perfesser]

As for the eyes i haven't got snot green, but i can replace that with goblin green so hopefully not much difference.

I was taking the colour names from a GW site colur list for green eyes. I actually use Vallejo Dark Green, Goblin Green and Scorpy Green, so you'd be closer to what I use.

[small_skater]

I was thinking of adding a little white dot to them, and then give them a varnish, to make them shiny like those nice eldar soul stones.