Abbadon

[Grimdarkness]

We all know Abby is the only force that can unite all the forces of chaos for any length of time but what kind of pull does he have? For example would a demon primarch come to him or would he have to go to them.

 

I'm asking because for the last week the opening scene to a 40K movies been buzzing in my head and I'd like to write it down before it goes Poof.

 

 

Thanks.

[Tallthulu]

a good question, i'm not sure that any have ever "followed" him, but as far as i know the last one of the daemon primarchs to go running around was angron durring the actual first war for armageddon. something to wiki.

[Roultox]

Abbadon more so pulls the will of the gods and anyone who see's this juggernaught in motion jumps on the bandwagon hoping to score big. Either the gods tell you to be a part of his plot, or you get tempted by being a part of his movement and make your own deals and objectives.

[courage&honor]

Pull = more than the primarchs, since he worships the gods all in turn he has unlimited potential and can call upon followers of all the gods. He's been offered demonhood, he just doesn't want it so don't let that make him seem less powerful than the primarchs my boy.

[Leethal]

Abby is the Big Man on Campus.

 

All follow him. If he sneezes, untold thousands and millions, offer tissues, and seek out the source of the sneeze.

 

Abby is a bad mofo. All love him, and all fear him.

[davidren2401]

I dont think a Primarch would answer a summons by Abbadon. Maybe a request to attack the same place at the same time but they would never travel half way across the Eye to bow at his feet. Remeber that Mortarion, Angron, Fulgrim and Magnus all consider themselves the most favoured servant of the ONE true god above gods, so in their own heads they're higher up the pecking order then Abby, regaurdless of what the truth of the matter is.

[Eetion]

But no self respecting Daemon Primarch is going to come up and say "Excuse me sir, Can I join your merry band of Warriors?" Abbaddon would have to go to them...

 

I seem to remember vaguely that Abaddons forces arnt all based on respect awe and fear, There are baragains and promises made as well, so a great many number of Lords wont fight unless it suits their interests.

[Tfcdogbert]

Eetion is right on that, Abbadon would have to go to them, except perhaps if he had tea and buns with one of the gods and got them to ask their primarchs to see him, he himself doesnt have that much pull to a primarch, but his friends do.

[kharn_the_betrayer]

Although the Primarchs seem to be very reclusive, for some odd reason ruling one's own planet takes effort and makes you not want to leave, I have a sneaking suspicion that getting Angron to join a group that is off to go kill things isn't all that difficult. I see him as a pointer, you point him at what you want killed, and send him. On a serious note I think he is the easiest one to get on the bandwagon for the "we are going to go kill things campaign." That is my opinion though.

[Ju'kosian]

Although the Primarchs seem to be very reclusive, for some odd reason ruling one's own planet takes effort and makes you not want to leave, I have a sneaking suspicion that getting Angron to join a group that is off to go kill things isn't all that difficult. I see him as a pointer, you point him at what you want killed, and send him. On a serious note I think he is the easiest one to get on the bandwagon for the "we are going to go kill things campaign." That is my opinion though.

if you want Magnus to tag along, change the campaign title to 'we are going to kill space wolves things"

 

I don't think that any of the daemon primarchs would bow or obey abaddon..

Why should they anyway...

 

Abaddon seems to be the only one to be able to unite the chaos forces but he has to give in a lot of favours to get that done.

Most chaos lords will join just because it fits in their agenda, there's something to achieve for them too, they don't tag along on a black crusade just because abby asked them...

[L0NEW0LF]

...I have a sneaking suspicion that getting Angron to join a group that is off to go kill things isn't all that difficult. I see him as a pointer, you point him at what you want killed, and send him. On a serious note I think he is the easiest one to get on the bandwagon for the "we are going to go kill things campaign." That is my opinion though.

 

just be sure to ask him very very nicely ;) or you wont be doing anything else (except bleeding alot) :tu:

[Nicili]

And I do not believe the Daemon Primarchs would come aksing to Abbadon to join his army. I am pretty sure that the Primarch could pretty much say, "I am joining this campaign and will be taking what I please, if you have any problems with it, you can answer to me and my legion."

 

I find Abbadon would only be useful as he is still mortal with alot of influence, the Daemon Primarch are Daemons, so they would be subject to instability; I think the Primarchs would use Abaddon more than Abbadon would use the Primarchs.

[Eetion]

And I do not believe the Daemon Primarchs would come aksing to Abbadon to join his army. I am pretty sure that the Primarch could pretty much say, "I am joining this campaign and will be taking what I please, if you have any problems with it, you can answer to me and my legion."

 

Right before said individual was ripped in half

And if the Primarch doesnt like it... well im sure he and his Legion would be more than willing to 'discuss' matters.

[TheDarkApostle]

The Lords themselves most surely never would talk to each other face to face. More then likely it would either be done per astropath/daemon/oracle whatever, or it would happen through one of their sub commanders who would most likely meet with the other parts sub commander. Never risk the biggest assets you have remember? And with these lads, unlike the Imperial Guard for example, you WILL be more powerfull and better in combat the higher on the ladder you are. :D

 

TDA

[davidren2401]

The Lords themselves most surely never would talk to each other face to face. More then likely it would either be done per astropath/daemon/oracle whatever, or it would happen through one of their sub commanders who would most likely meet with the other parts sub commander. Never risk the biggest assets you have remember? And with these lads, unlike the Imperial Guard for example, you WILL be more powerfull and better in combat the higher on the ladder you are. :)

 

TDA

 

Well Abbadon and Cypher met face to face. Of course Cypher did execute one of Abbadon's bodygaurds just for taking a threatening step forward, Abby didn't seem to mind though. I guess if you can't pass a 5up invunerable you shouldn't be on the team.

 

Although the Primarchs seem to be very reclusive, for some odd reason ruling one's own planet takes effort and makes you not want to leave, I have a sneaking suspicion that getting Angron to join a group that is off to go kill things isn't all that difficult. I see him as a pointer, you point him at what you want killed, and send him. On a serious note I think he is the easiest one to get on the bandwagon for the "we are going to go kill things campaign." That is my opinion though.

 

You think Abbadon is easier to send on a killing spree then Khârn?

[Magnus Thane]

Well depends. Abaddon is the Chosen of Chaos. It is possible for him to enlist their aid if the Gods back him.

The question is does he want them too? It seems in some ways better for him not to have the Primarchs along.

On the other hand, the Primarchs can't do much against him either. it's more a deadlock. And i think Abaddon probably prefers it if they stay on their Daemonworld. And vice versa, the Daemon Primarchs (and the even more powerful ancient Daemons) may not care that much usually. Though i do see them sending troops at times to help Abby on occassion. (such as for a big Crusade)

I wonder how wordly orientated the Primarchs are nowadays.

[iamblakkmetal]

Well depends. Abaddon is the Chosen of Chaos. It is possible for him to enlist their aid if the Gods back him.

The question is does he want them too? It seems in some ways better for him not to have the Primarchs along.

On the other hand, the Primarchs can't do much against him either. it's more a deadlock. And i think Abaddon probably prefers it if they stay on their Daemonworld. And vice versa, the Daemon Primarchs (and the even more powerful ancient Daemons) may not care that much usually. Though i do see them sending troops at times to help Abby on occassion. (such as for a big Crusade)

I wonder how wordly orientated the Primarchs are nowadays.

 

 

From what I understand, not at all. They tend to just hang out on their Daemon World and hardly ever lead attacks (outside of the eye at least) themselves. They have minions for that.

[Magnus Thane]

Well depends. Abaddon is the Chosen of Chaos. It is possible for him to enlist their aid if the Gods back him.

The question is does he want them too? It seems in some ways better for him not to have the Primarchs along.

On the other hand, the Primarchs can't do much against him either. it's more a deadlock. And i think Abaddon probably prefers it if they stay on their Daemonworld. And vice versa, the Daemon Primarchs (and the even more powerful ancient Daemons) may not care that much usually. Though i do see them sending troops at times to help Abby on occassion. (such as for a big Crusade)

I wonder how wordly orientated the Primarchs are nowadays.

 

 

From what I understand, not at all. They tend to just hang out on their Daemon World and hardly ever lead attacks (outside of the eye at least) themselves. They have minions for that.

 

 

That's the impression i got too from novels etc.

So i'm not even sure they care what the Despoiler does, as long as he doesn't interfere with their plans. As long as he serves Chaos and has their favor, i suppose they're somewhat indifferent or indulge him to a degree. (within serious limits)

[Sons of Horus]

NO Primarch would go to abby for anything. he'd have to go to the Primarch if he wanted/needed the assistance or support for anything. he has a lot of pull and respect mainly cause he fills in the role of leader of Chaos undivided. the Chaos Primarchs respect him to but they are still superior and they'll always be superior to abby.

[Magnus Thane]

Well depends. Abaddon is the Chosen of Chaos. It is possible for him to enlist their aid if the Gods back him.

The question is does he want them too? It seems in some ways better for him not to have the Primarchs along.

On the other hand, the Primarchs can't do much against him either. it's more a deadlock. And i think Abaddon probably prefers it if they stay on their Daemonworld. And vice versa, the Daemon Primarchs (and the even more powerful ancient Daemons) may not care that much usually. Though i do see them sending troops at times to help Abby on occassion. (such as for a big Crusade)

I wonder how wordly orientated the Primarchs are nowadays.

 

 

From what I understand, not at all. They tend to just hang out on their Daemon World and hardly ever lead attacks (outside of the eye at least) themselves. They have minions for that.

 

 

That's the impression i got too from novels etc.

So i'm not even sure they care what the Despoiler does, as long as he doesn't interfere with their plans. As long as he serves Chaos and has their favor, i suppose they're somewhat indifferent or indulge him to a degree. (within serious limits)

 

Yes and no. Superior in what way?

The fact he 'is' the Chosen of the Chaos Gods makes it difficult to say who is superior.

In the end i don't think any of us can really say who is truly superior. Same as trying to find out which is the greatest still living Primarch. The information regarding the abilities/purposes etc of the Daemon Primarchs is superficial at best.

[Eirik_Xenobane]

From what I've read, Abbaddon has never really had any deals with primarchs.

 

Ahriman is pretty much a free agent, after the Rubric he was exiled from the legion and helps Abby on his own terms for his own reasons.

 

According to fluff Typhus didn't like the idea of Mortarion and the Death Guard setting up shop on a Daemon world and headed off with his plague fleet to do the good work of papa nurgle. Abbaddon offered him a chance to do that in a very effective way as part of the 13th crusade.

 

Abbadon recruits individual warbands and leaders to his cause, the Legions are not really organised anymore but smaller wrabands doing their own thing. No legion warband would refuse their primarchs call (and live for much longer) but they are all free to do their own thing when the Primarch doesn't need them.

[Brother-chaplain Astador]

Well Abbadon and Cypher met face to face. Of course Cypher did execute one of Abbadon's bodygaurds just for taking a threatening step forward, Abby didn't seem to mind though. I guess if you can't pass a 5up invunerable you shouldn't be on the team.

 

Do you mind/know of any links or origin to this fluff?

 

Would love to read it, seems interesting

[TheDarkApostle]

Well Abbadon and Cypher met face to face. Of course Cypher did execute one of Abbadon's bodygaurds just for taking a threatening step forward, Abby didn't seem to mind though. I guess if you can't pass a 5up invunerable you shouldn't be on the team.

 

Do you mind/know of any links or origin to this fluff?

 

Would love to read it, seems interesting

It was in the "Heroes and Villians of the 41'st millenium" articles in White Dwarf during the Eye of Terror campaign back in, um... '03 I think?

 

TDA

[jamjar]

I think that the god-primarchs(angron etc) would never join a crusade led by to them a mere space marine. no matter how blessed he is. simple fact is they cant guarantee there power base against the other 3. and there ego's wouldnt like it. I mean they were demi-gods before they ascended to daemonhood. Isnt Pertubo asleep on his daemon world? got that impresion from dead sky black sun so he'd need a waking before anything happens.

lorgar would probably join in as he is very convert the unbelieves and the fact hes kept a hand on his legion but still i cant see him bending his knee to anything less than a god.

 

It would most likely be fear/old ties/promises of power that gets abbadon all his followers. I cant see many daemon princes answering his call eitheras dont they move on from the material plane?

[Magnus Thane]

Daemon Primarchs no, DP's yes.

Daemon Princes come in varying powerlevels. As the new Rulebook story on one of Abby's campaigns shows, some DP's do swear loyalty to Abby at times.

All the legions and many warbands have a DP.