Tyrannicide Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 Once again Commissar you nail an undiscovered point. I hadn't thought of the relationship of my Chapter with the Dark Angels yet. I would think it's generally close, it would certainly not be considered to be a harsh relationship or bitter/rocky. I think that they would easily be on speaking terms with one another, with the two Chapter Masters sending communiqués charting each other's progress on hunting the Fallen, to one another frequently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1683638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Hate to double post, but I'd like to start some more discussion on this again. I've decided to change the Chapter's successors for a start. I've selected the Imperial Fists of Rogal Dorn. I think the fore-fathers of this Chapter will play a big role in their history and Dorn's finest are a good selection. They fit the bill perfectly for what I have in mind. My aim is to create a Chapter composed of resolute and determined bastards, who will identify the ends as opposed to the means. They are not barbaric individuals who will slaughter innocent Imperials without a cause, but they may destroy an Imperial world, if it means stopping a systematic invasion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1798952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 They are not barbaric individuals who will slaughter innocent Imperials without a cause, but they may destroy an Imperial world, if it means stopping a systematic invasion. Have you read Warriors of Ultramar by chance? There's a passage in it describing the fleet destroying a few of the planets in the systems' outer reaches to prevent the Tyranids assimilating their genetic material. Maybe it would be a good idea to have a read some similarities. I think the fore-fathers of this Chapter will play a big role in their history and Dorn's finest are a good selection. They fit the bill perfectly for what I have in mind. Do explain... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1799159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 To go back to an earlier post, the IF connection works for your homeworld also. Dorn was a reknowned siege-master. Your chapter keep could be actually built into the scrap mountains, with access to it being a maze of twisting metal valleys. And I agree with you. The resolute and obstinate nature of the IF really work with a chapter that would choose to live in such a place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1799333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Have you read Warriors of Ultramar by chance? There's a passage in it describing the fleet destroying a few of the planets in the systems' outer reaches to prevent the Tyranids assimilating their genetic material. Maybe it would be a good idea to have a read some similarities. Do explain... I have read Warriors of Ultramar. I know exactly what you mean when referring to those worlds that the fleet sacrifices to stymie the horde for a little while longer. I hadn't originally thought of that, but it's a good comparison to what I meant. Something else I had in mind with this Chapter was the founding legacy that their predecessors left behind. I had some thoughts about creating new self-penitent rituals that the Chapter utilizes extensively. To go back to an earlier post, the IF connection works for your homeworld also. Dorn was a reknowned siege-master. Your chapter keep could be actually built into the scrap mountains, with access to it being a maze of twisting metal valleys. And I agree with you. The resolute and obstinate nature of the IF really work with a chapter that would choose to live in such a place. Thanks Marshal. Yes, I really did envision the world having twisted valleys of junk and scrap metal, piled high. Surely the Chapter would have secret tunnels and vaults built underneath the surface of scrap. The one thing I do want to stress in the homeworld section of the article, is that this is a very dangerous place to live. Not that the rest of the Imperial worlds aren't, though the Imperial authority on this planet has all but fallen apart, since its arrival. The world is controlled by many different warlords who wage battles against each other in exchange for more power, supplies, and land itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1799352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihriban Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes, I really did envision the world having twisted valleys of junk and scrap metal, piled high. Surely the Chapter would have secret tunnels and vaults built underneath the surface of scrap. The one thing I do want to stress in the homeworld section of the article, is that this is a very dangerous place to live. Not that the rest of the Imperial worlds aren't, though the Imperial authority on this planet has all but fallen apart, since its arrival. The world is controlled by many different warlords who wage battles against each other in exchange for more power, supplies, and land itself. I really like that mental image. Fields and fields of garbage stretching as far as the eye can see, filled with all manners of gangs, scavengers, and predators. A deadly, deadly ecosystem, with the acidwyrms at the top of the pecking order. These beasts can grow up to 40' long and while they have mandibles that can slice clean through a man, they are more dangerous yet. They are named for the acid that they can spit up to 10'. This acid is strong enough to eat through solid rockcrete. Normally people would not stray out of the hive shells, but on the fields are various empty type-IX energy cells. Dumped on the planet for millenia, a new STC was discovered several centuries ago which uses parts of these type-IX energy cells in the construction of Chimera troop transports. Using the energy cells as a means to barter for supplies and weapons, each Warlord constantly has cull teams in the field, trying to grab as many of the type-IX cells as possible. For with the cells comes survival and power. Sick, sick planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1799708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 You could call these the final notes for the unnamed Chapter, or at least close to it. ORIGINS -Founded in the later parts of M41. -An Imperial Fists Captain named Adrastos led the founding cadre of Space Marines. - He was determined to obtain glory and gain laurels of battle for his new Chapter against the Imperium’s foes. -After a series of crucial victories the Chapter nicknames their Master, ‘Adrastos the Undaunted’ for his outstanding valor and bravery. -After nearly two decades of campaigning throughout the stars, the Chapter comes across an unusual planet named Saratoga. HOMEWORLD -Saratoga is a world located in the eastern boarders of the Segmentum Tempestus and is part of the Reductus Sector. -A junk world by all means, Saratoga is a graveyard for all waste materials from the nearby twin forge worlds. Miles upon miles of scrap litter the surface of the world. -Saratoga was once a Hive World. The hives have since been reduced to mountains of scrap metal, though they still function as homes to the people. (And to the gangers) -Adrastos saw Saratoga as an ideal homeworld for his newly found Chapter. -They saw an opportunity to reshape the populace into the perfect warriors that could serve as Astartes. -The Saratogans lead a variety of lifestyles; the world is populated by all manner of scum. -Corrupt warlords of the planet lead the people in small-scale wars. -Rival factions from the various warlords vie over control of the world and battle over provisions, power, and land. -Imperial authority on this planet has all but fallen apart since its arrival. -Chapter has underground tunnels and vaults they keep for personal use. (Many times, when a Chaplain is looking for potential recruits, he will use these as a path to stay hidden and out of sight.) Think miles and miles of connected trails underneath Saratoga’s key cities. -Fortress Monastery is actually located on Saratoga’s orbiting moon, ____. BELIEFS -The Chapter strongly believes in the rebirth of an aspirant’s soul and body. -Literally see the aspirant as trash, and remold him into the godlike Space Marines they are. -Marines are dedicated, stubborn, and pertinacious individuals. -Hold the Codex to a high standard and are firm adherents. -See the Emperor as the savior of the galaxy but nothing more. -They revere Rogal Dorn as their Primarch, as their predecessors do. -The brethren of the Chapter have been known to use acts of self-penitence and rituals to further their spiritual connection with Dorn. COMBAT DOCTRINE -The Chapter follows the tactics from the Codex Astartes adhesively. -They are able to fight in nearly all conditions, and boast a balanced armory and fleet. ORGANIZATION -As strict followers of the Codex the Chapter is organized as laid down in the massive tome. -The first company is made up of the veteran brethren, while the second through fifth are known as the battle companies. The reserve companies are made up of the sixth through ninth, with the last being the Tenth scout company consisting of the Chapter’s initiates. -The headquarters include the Chapter Master and his staff, as well as the Librarium and Chapter armory. NOTE: I’ve considered that the Scout Company is actually non-existent in this Chapter. Instead the initiates of the Chapter are not battle ready until the Apothecaries grant them the black carapace. It’s similar to the Space Wolves Blood Claws but I’m hesitant because I’m unsure if this adds anything else to the Chapter. GENE SEED -Gene seed of Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists -Exceptionally pure, besides the evident absence of the Betcher’s Gland and Sus-an Membrane --------------- What do you think? Anything else I should add. I feel that the homeworld section of the notes seems to be the focal point. I'd like it to be a big part of the article, but I think I need to develop a couple other things in the beliefs and origins sections to balance it out. Definitely point out anything that doesn't look right and any additional help would be greatly appreciated. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1839218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kil78 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 still think this is a good idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1839261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 In response to the rising influence of immorality and corruption within the Imperium’s borders, I think it should be "within the Imperium" borders tends to imply the edges, whereas I think you mean the entirety of the galaxy. Of the Chapters created, one stands out above the rest. Founded in the closing years of the forty-first millennium, the Sable Stars quickly proved their worth to the Imperium. The first part sounds a bit "we are awesome." Maybe tone it down. A wise, battle-ardent Imperial Fist named Adrastos led the founding cadre of Space Marines into the stars on a campaign to cleanse the Reductus Sector of the Heretic I'd change "founding cadre" to "the new chapter" Apart from that, it's looking good. Keep it up ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/144017-sable-stars/page/3/#findComment-1865482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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