Shooting at units

[Max_Dammit]

If a unit stands on top of a building, and the atacker is in the same cover but in a lower level, does the whole unit get to shoot or does the LOS rule apply to this situation as well?, meaning that when the whole building is in intact there will be no shooting.

[Chaplain Lucifer]

True LoS applies, you can only shoot what you can see.

[Max_Dammit]

Than he cheated true his teeth

 

Is there anywhere in the BBB that i can show him next time?

[Chaplain Lucifer]

page 16 and 21 of rulebook may be relevant... You can only fire at what you can see... there are no exceptions listed even if the two units involved occupy same piece of terrain.

[Max_Dammit]

thanx

[rat of vengence]

Trying to see through the floors was he?

 

ROV

[Praeger]

I wouldnt call him a cheat.

 

Couple of simple question:

 

how far can you shoot through cover if your in cover?

 

Where you within this range?

 

If the answer to that is yes - then he wasnt exactly cheating

[Max_Dammit]

Trying to see through the floors was he?

 

ROV

He was shooting trough the floor yeah

[Snozz]

I like the idea for a house rule here, using high strength weapons (Plasma guns?)to fire through the floor at people above/below you. Almost like Cod4. At a reduced Bs of course (6's to hit methinks), but maybe cause -1 to LD because they weren't expecting balls of plasma to burst through the floor and decimate one of their squad members. :P

 

But if he couldn't see you he couldn't shoot you if you use the offical rules.

[Praeger]

I cant get access to my rule book for a few weeks (dont ask) so icant check this out - but if one of you other could ithink it would help alot.

 

See, im pritty sure that any terrain like this ould count as cover - and as there isnt anything that specificly says when it comes to COVER that you need to have direct LOS then i think it would work the exact same way as if you where in some trees.

 

In short - if your both in the same cover, and are within the correct range for shooting through cover, then he was doing it corectly - remeber the "building" on the table is really a represntaion of a building - in that if it was real their might very well be huge gaping holes in the building, or made out of ply-board etc that even a rock could pass through - in short just becouse it LOOKS solid dosnt mean it is :)

 

So like i said, what we need to find out is:

 

A - how far can you shoot when in terrain/cover

B - where you within this range

C - is there anything that SPECIFICLY says buildings are treated difrently to normal terrain/cover?

[Max_Dammit]

In short - if your both in the same cover, and are within the correct range for shooting through cover, then he was doing it corectly - remeber the "building" on the table is really a represntaion of a building - in that if it was real their might very well be huge gaping holes in the building, or made out of ply-board etc that even a rock could pass through - in short just becouse it LOOKS solid dosnt mean it is :o

 

So like i said, what we need to find out is:

 

A - how far can you shoot when in terrain/cover

B - where you within this range

C - is there anything that SPECIFICLY says buildings are treated difrently to normal terrain/cover?

The first part is 4th ED rules, there a pice of terrain reprisented something, Now it doesn't, Its LOS all the way

 

As for AB He had a shot, C no it wasnt a building as such but a ruin.

[SeerDude]

True LOS is the only thing you have to take into account EVER when seeing if they can hit when in range.

[nighthawks]

this is all true but area terrain (which I believe that ruins are still classified as) grants a cover save to any target model in contact with its outline OR behind it (relative to the firing model) and between or obscured by major elements of the terrain feature (trees, in the book example) OR when the firing model is within area AND 2" or more fro the edge of the feature (i.e. firing through 2+" of area).

 

in the 2 units in the same ruins example, I think at least SOME of that applies, though I can't ref. my book right now as I am at work. I'd be suprised if there was literally no opportunity for a cover save here.

 

edit: boolean and spelling errors

[maniclurker]

If he couldn't see you, he couldn't shoot you. Period. If he could see you, he could shoot you. You would get a cover save, because you are in area terrain. You need to read this for yourself, however, that way you can properly defend your argument if this comes up again, and show the person who's arguing against you the exact entry in the BBB.