Monstra Sumus Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Haha, right, gotcha. The only thing I liked about Abyss was Skraal. XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2264301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtoncain Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 If you really want a kick ass series of books (not 40k related) read the Song of Ice and Fire Series by Goerge R.R. Martin. Firts book is A Game of Thrones. Second is A Clash of Kings. Third is a Storm of Swords. And the last one I read was a Feast of Crows. Truely awesome serious. Really good books, BUT: he is too busy writing about Super Heroes to ever, ever, every finish the series :rolleyes: , let alone the next book :o . All Hail Jhon Snow and his Sister Ariya. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2264741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstra Sumus Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 If you really want a kick ass series of books (not 40k related) read the Song of Ice and Fire Series by Goerge R.R. Martin. Firts book is A Game of Thrones. Second is A Clash of Kings. Third is a Storm of Swords. And the last one I read was a Feast of Crows. Truely awesome serious. Really good books, BUT: he is too busy writing about Super Heroes to ever, ever, every finish the series :rolleyes: , let alone the next book :o . All Hail Jhon Snow and his Sister Ariya. Sandor Mother Trucking Clegane. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2264744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorgarXVII17 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Dont kill me for saying this, but im reading Horus Rising right now, and its pretty boring. Or so I thought at first. Abnett is a great writter IMO. The insight into the pre-heresy Emperors Children and Luna Wolves is great, and this books certainly puts the series on the right track (though from what I hear a few books after it arent the greatest...). But, at the very front of the book it says Erebus is in the book, yet ive not yet seen him, and im on page 296. When do I get to see some Word Bearers kick some ass? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2271543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 One thing to say: In order to help clear up fluff issues, the entire HH series is worth a read :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2271767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Dont kill me for saying this, but im reading Horus Rising right now, and its pretty boring. Or so I thought at first. Abnett is a great writter IMO. The insight into the pre-heresy Emperors Children and Luna Wolves is great, and this books certainly puts the series on the right track (though from what I hear a few books after it arent the greatest...). But, at the very front of the book it says Erebus is in the book, yet ive not yet seen him, and im on page 296. When do I get to see some Word Bearers kick some ass? I can tell you what the Word Bearers do in Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein and Fulgrim (which I have recently read) if you want.... even by PM, to keep it ninja. But do you really want that? I think Battle for the Abyss is THE book for the WB in the HH series.... so far.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2271774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstra Sumus Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yeah, as bad as Battle for the Abyss is its got the most WB action. Until The First Heretic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2271888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 The WB in Battle are stupid though. Lysimachus Cestus: Stop right there, Word Bearer Lord Admiral Zadkiel (stroking white cat and twirling mustache): Ah, Captain Cestus. I've been expecting you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2271952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 ^ That is quite true :lol:. They are portrayed as incompetent and clumsy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2273307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Of Sparta Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I've got and read all of the books (not the audio ones though, although I wish I had them) so far, and have really enjoyed all of them. Some of the books are a little clumsy, hard to read, or not always to my liking at first, but I look upon the Heresy series as the re-telling of a story we (all) know and love, but at a personal level. We're seeing the thoughts, feelings and personal motivations of people who we either never existed, or knew by name only. I'll give you an example; until Flight of the Eisenstein we only knew Captain Garro was from the Death Guard Legion, he stole the Eisenstein to warn the fledgling Imperium about the events on Istvaan and that know one knew what happened to him after that. (taken and condensed from Index Astartes: Death Guard) Now it's possible to re-live what essentially was only a paragraph in a short article in it's fully blood and gore soaked glory. Going back to what the OP said in his first post, I agree that Horus Rising is an amazing book, a must read for 40k fiction lovers who haven't read it, even if you don't read any of the others in the series (although I recommend you do) by the end of Horus Rising I had grown to love the character of Horus, he was everything a hero should be, and before the end of False Gods I almost ended up shouting at the book "NO, DON'T DO IT!" it really grabs you at a personal level. Hopefully some of my ramblings will have made sense, James Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2274024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mordeus Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Dont kill me for saying this, but im reading Horus Rising right now, and its pretty boring. Or so I thought at first. Abnett is a great writter IMO. The insight into the pre-heresy Emperors Children and Luna Wolves is great, and this books certainly puts the series on the right track (though from what I hear a few books after it arent the greatest...). But, at the very front of the book it says Erebus is in the book, yet ive not yet seen him, and im on page 296. When do I get to see some Word Bearers kick some ass? Well Erebus appears when the Sons of Horus start to drift towards Chaos, i think the list in the beginning is for all three books, unless im wrong. by the end of Horus Rising I had grown to love the character of Horus, he was everything a hero should be, and before the end of False Gods I almost ended up shouting at the book "NO, DON'T DO IT!" it really grabs you at a personal level. Soooo true, im modelling Luna Wolves, and they are set in time right before it all goes down, so awsome then. I liked all the books, but then im and unconditional fan of 40k, Descent and Battle for Abyss where dissapointing, mainly by their lack of Horus Heresy. Descent was close to boring, and Battle, i just kept wondering, why is all of this happening??? What the heck are the Word Bearers doing?? Why is that small band of invicible marines able to bring down a full word bearer contingent and their massive ship alone?? Sigh... The rest are awesome though, Horus Rising, Fulgrim aa good time, iv reread those a few times all ready. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2274139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtoncain Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I just finished Fulgrim. The 1st five books are really good. Starting #6 this weekend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2283849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddymao Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I give Horus Rising all due credit for introducing me to the 40k universe but I'll admit that it wasn't until the sequence of events at "The Whisperheads" that I actually got into the story. It was just one of those scenarios that's was so cool to read I was actually a little annoyed that I hadn't thought of it first. False Gods and Galaxy in flames are equally engrossing, I appreciate the fact that they present the fall of Horus in a sympathetic manner, by the time he openly declares his intentions the reader is at least able to understand why he made the decisions he did. Reading through "Flight of the Eisenstein" right now which is okay so far but it's not really grabbing me in the same way the first 3 books did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2284350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I liked all the books, but then im and unconditional fan of 40k, Descent and Battle for Abyss where dissapointing, mainly by their lack of Horus Heresy. Descent was close to boring, and Battle, i just kept wondering, why is all of this happening??? What the heck are the Word Bearers doing?? Why is that small band of invicible marines able to bring down a full word bearer contingent and their massive ship alone?? Sigh... The rest are awesome though, Horus Rising, Fulgrim aa good time, iv reread those a few times all ready. What is it that you don't like about Descent? Here are my thoughts on it. It isn't as A-Mazing! as Horus rising. But that doesn't mean it's not good.... It isn't very GC or HH content heavy, but I like the move away from repeating the other books formats ~ not because in itself that is a brilliant idea but that Scanlon was brave enough to change the focus to pre-Imperium and showing the trauma that even permitted pacification brings. He didn't just copy and paste someone else's work (I'm not saying anyone else did, but do you catch my drift?) and I think he also brings some depth as to why the DA managed to have a split. He shows that even a willing world, that has an established order, gets turned upside down. Those who were superiors get usurped due to the potential of the young to receive gene-seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2284782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Just finished reading it, and I loved it. It provides a good starting point for the heresy, and I like how Horus and Eidolon were portrayed. One question though, what happened to the Interex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2286330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Just finished reading it, and I loved it. It provides a good starting point for the heresy, and I like how Horus and Eidolon were portrayed. One question though, what happened to the Interex? The obvious. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2286351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 They all live happily ever after :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2286853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodanshi Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 what happened to the Interex? The second book in the series, False Gods by Graham McNeill, features a line hinting at what happened to the Interex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2288275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstra Sumus Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I've been tempted to model an Interex army for shiz and giggles. Got aload of Eldar stuff lying around and some IG stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2288332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_esquire Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 SPOILER ALERT I'm about 10 pages from the end of Fulgrim having read all up to there. I must say the whole thing has blown me away! The initial trilogy set the scene beautifully. Some moments that I found so inspiring and touching were: - When Euphrati Keeler sees that Rogal cannot cry for his broken heart at Horus' betrayal. - The moment that Fulgrim realises what he has done at killing Ferrus - and the welcome of oblivion (only to realise that it is possession too late) - The death of Loken and Saul Tarvitz - When Euphratis powers emerge agasint the chaos creature - blessed be the emperor. - The image of the emperor turnign away from the spirit Horus There were so many more - but these really stand out for me and made the whole thing feel more than epic. Oh and seeing certain scens replay again from different perspectives is bordering on genius. I'm onto my boys next so lets see how that goes. Can anyone tell me which chaos gods ive been reading aobut up to now though? I see Slanesh but not sure about the others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2334503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Russy Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 In the second Book, False Gods, when the expedition goes to that moon because of the insulting governor. I am fairly sure that the army there was Nurgle blessed if nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2344987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 All the books maybe suffer from this, but I found Abnett's writing in Horus Rising to be really heavy on making obvious, usually ironic or knowing/winking references to the 41st millennium, like referring to the Luna Wolves as a "black legion" at one point, or Loken's musing that even Abaddon may someday fade into history, and future generations will not even recognize his name, etc. - which, as we know, is totally the opposite of what's happened in the ten thousand years since! Just a lot of things that to me snowballed into being a bit too over the top or heavy-handed with the allusions, especially obvious ones that really seem to only serve the purpose of winking at you, dear reader, for being in on the joke. Lots of groaning on my part. ;) But there is one thing since we're talking on Horus Rising. From page 82: "Loken would battle, and die, and perhaps even Horus would die, to save the Emperor at the last." To refresh, the context is Loken is thinking about the fates of Space Marines - that despite being essentially immortal, each knows he is destined to fall somewhere, some in glory at the pinnacle of the crusade, others in some forgotten backwater, unremembered. Rereading it this week, seeing that again had me thinking. Given how much HR seems to stress that the 41st millennium background has got a lot of the 31st millennium history wrong (biggest case in point being the Emperor and religion), it made me wonder if they're planning on making the biggest "irony" of the heresy being that Horus dies just as Loken imagines so early on in the series - defending the Emperor, not killing him. Fex, maybe at the last second Horus realizes what he's done, but either a daemon or one of the other traitors decides to finish the job and it is Horus that does just enough at the end to prevent the Emperor's death, but not enough to completely save him nor save his own life. Not to bring "real life" into this, but GW has always liked to use pop culture and similar things, and it seems totally up their alley to have some shocking truth akin to the "Gospel of Judas" notion that Judas didn't betray Jesus, but was actually fulfilling Jesus' orders, knowing he'd forever be damned by how later generations would perceive him (not knowing the truth). What if Horus actually isn't guilty of nearly-fatally injuring the Emperor? What if it's someone else? What if it's...dun dun DUHHHHH...Sanguinius? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145770-horus-rising/page/2/#findComment-2345016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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