Kyarl Deathaxe Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ok just got the most recent version of the codex, dont know if i've misread something, but would i be right in saying that the only character models who can have a daemon weapons now are the Chaos lords? also i cant seem to find a cost for a daemon weapon?! any advice on that, much appreciated... Nick :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbadons Chosen Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 it says in the bit under the stats line that your lord can uprgrade his weapon for so many points, take terminator armour blah blah and yes only Hq units can take them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1692193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yep, just Chaos Lords can have a daemon weapon, cost is 40 points if in power armour, 25 points if in terminator armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1692197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyarl Deathaxe Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ahh thats what i wonderd, wasnt sure if a daemon prince could take a Daemon weapon, as i couldnt find a cost in there stats... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1692198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkPrincess Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ahh thats what i wonderd, wasnt sure if a daemon prince could take a Daemon weapon, as i couldnt find a cost in there stats... Daemon Princes are what got blugeoned the most with the NERF bat in the new chaos codex. MOSTLY because of all the people that would kit them out to be the Uber-Khorne prince.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1692215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penmarch' Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Daemon Prince= no Daemon weapon. Yes, that makes sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1692268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hajime Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Daemon Prince= no Daemon weapon.Yes, that makes sense. I am still highly bitter about that especially given the look of the Standard Sword that comes with the Demon Prince. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1693373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penmarch' Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I'm fairly bitter about the whole codex in fact. Just pored over the old one yesterday night again and can't understand how on Earth anyone with at least two braincells to rub together could have maimed it to that extent. And please, oh please don't tell me that I can still make a 'powerful' list. I don't crave power. I want options. Lots of them. Good, bad and some purely cosmetic. This is a game. Reality check. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1693447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstorm Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Ahh thats what i wonderd, wasnt sure if a daemon prince could take a Daemon weapon, as i couldnt find a cost in there stats... yes that option was removed along with everything else fun, daemon princes are now inferior to chaos lords nowdays, daemon princes also cant take a personal icon anymore which is quite baffling Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1693451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Ahh thats what i wonderd, wasnt sure if a daemon prince could take a Daemon weapon, as i couldnt find a cost in there stats... yes that option was removed along with everything else fun, daemon princes are now inferior to chaos lords nowdays, daemon princes also cant take a personal icon anymore which is quite baffling That's very arguable as princes are eternal warriors, MC's, and have higher base stats for a very competitive price, but I do miss fun little tidbits like demonic visage, I mean wouldn't you be scared of a 15 foot tall demon? And sure, people took demonic mutation and strength more than say venom, but at least the options were there and there was an ingame way for me to represent all of the cybernetic claws I have on my champions, now they are "power weapons". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1693503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstorm Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Ahh thats what i wonderd, wasnt sure if a daemon prince could take a Daemon weapon, as i couldnt find a cost in there stats... yes that option was removed along with everything else fun, daemon princes are now inferior to chaos lords nowdays, daemon princes also cant take a personal icon anymore which is quite baffling That's very arguable as princes are eternal warriors, MC's, and have higher base stats for a very competitive price, but I do miss fun little tidbits like demonic visage, I mean wouldn't you be scared of a 15 foot tall demon? And sure, people took demonic mutation and strength more than say venom, but at least the options were there and there was an ingame way for me to represent all of the cybernetic claws I have on my champions, now they are "power weapons". hi, as someone who plays soley world eaters, a daemon prince vs a lord with a bloodfeeder... hmm theres no contest :) , besides, your right, the lord and a DP are compareable in what they can offer... but their really shouldnt be any contest in reality, a daemon prince not being allowed to take a daemon weapon? :cuss, a DP is one step above a lord in the eyes of the gods, hes achieved what the lord is aiming for, so why on earth would the prince not beable to have a weapon gifted by the gods while a lord can. The gigantic nerf given to daemon princes is the final nail in the coffin by GW for any type of player who wants to inculde a daemonic factor in their a chaos marine army IMO, we are now naughty loyalist marines with spikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1693532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The gigantic nerf given to daemon princes is the final nail in the coffin by GW for any type of player who wants to inculde a daemonic factor in their a chaos marine army IMO, we are now naughty loyalist marines with spikes. I would agree with you if there wasnt one thing...lash ... or rather two things ..dual lash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1694508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstorm Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The gigantic nerf given to daemon princes is the final nail in the coffin by GW for any type of player who wants to inculde a daemonic factor in their a chaos marine army IMO, we are now naughty loyalist marines with spikes. I would agree with you if there wasnt one thing...lash ... or rather two things ..dual lash. yup, but my points still valid (GW trying hard to eradicate daemons in a CSM Army in 4th) as GW obviously didnt know how OP that spell would prove to be, and didnt factor it into account when they bludgeoned the DP into a bloody pulp with their nerf stick ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1694854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hajime Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The same can be said about the Trator Legions other than Black Legion, thier rules were stripped from them and they left with collects that in some cases couldn't be field as intended. Iron Warrior are a great example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1695201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeRed Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Daemon Princes are fine. They're still one of the few monstrous creatures in the game that can fly and they're pretty cheap to boot. While the vulnerable to massed small arms fire, that's made up by their maneuverability and value. They no longer can be insta-killed (and that's huge for me since I regularly play against tau with railguns). If you compare the old with the new, the new daemon prince essentially gets daemonic strength, essence, aura, and rune for a fraction of the cost. On top of that he got a bonus +1 WS and +2 BS. While we lost out on some pretty broken upgrades, (daemonic speed, 10 point feel no pain come to mind.) Daemon Princes aren't broken anymore, but that doesn't make them bad. Give a daemon prince wings and warptime and he'll be just as good as he ever was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1695394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hajime Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Daemon Princes are fine. They're still one of the few monstrous creatures in the game that can fly and they're pretty cheap to boot. While the vulnerable to massed small arms fire, that's made up by their maneuverability and value. They no longer can be insta-killed (and that's huge for me since I regularly play against tau with railguns). If you compare the old with the new, the new daemon prince essentially gets daemonic strength, essence, aura, and rune for a fraction of the cost. On top of that he got a bonus +1 WS and +2 BS. While we lost out on some pretty broken upgrades, (daemonic speed, 10 point feel no pain come to mind.) Daemon Princes aren't broken anymore, but that doesn't make them bad. Give a daemon prince wings and warptime and he'll be just as good as he ever was. The no Demonic Weapon still hurts alot! that huge wicked blade and it can't be demonic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1695564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 No daemonic weapons for daemon princes. Yes, well, a daemonic weapon is an enslaved daemon inside a weapon. So you now cannot take one daemon using another daemon as a weapon anymore, only a mortal chaos lord who has managed to enslave a daemon (or simply get his hands on the weapon). Losing all the flashy little toys is harsh, I cannot deny that. But having Chaos Marines that are armed to the teeth and ready for combat with boltgun, boltpistol, ccw and grenades is far too awesome for me to complain about that. Now you get the feeling that every model is a powerfull warrior that can deal with any situation, as opposed to the customisable individual few models the previous codex was focusing on. Disembarking out of a Rhino, or Genestealers about to jump your face? Rapid fire away. If they are about to charge they can now shoot with the pistols and then still assault. In combat they will allways have at least 2 attacks. Tactical Marines can only dream of something like that. Enemies hiding behind cover means nothing to them. Almost every vehicle can be taken out by any chaos marine (Land Raiders and Monoliths are a problem), even dreads can be hurt. I much prefer these versatile and capable chaos space marines to the option for daemonic strength or daemonic visages for the unit champions. And Daemon Princes are not weak by any means. Well, Khornies perhaps (+1 attack, yay!). Tzeentch Princes with 4+ invulnerable save and warp time are nasty, as are slaansh princes with the lash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1695579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 So you now cannot take one daemon using another daemon as a weapon anymore, only a mortal chaos lord who has managed to enslave a daemon (or simply get his hands on the weapon). what is kind of a strange as they didnt change the fluff that greater demons like the bloodthirster do have demonic weapons [in case of the thirster its another one in the ax]. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1696025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarhus Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Daemon Prince IS Daemon weapon. I fixed it for you. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1696271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tfcdogbert Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The gigantic nerf given to daemon princes is the final nail in the coffin by GW for any type of player who wants to inculde a daemonic factor in their a chaos marine army IMO, we are now naughty loyalist marines with spikes. Or the wonderful power known as Warptime... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1696331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstorm Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 The gigantic nerf given to daemon princes is the final nail in the coffin by GW for any type of player who wants to inculde a daemonic factor in their a chaos marine army IMO, we are now naughty loyalist marines with spikes. Or the wonderful power known as Warptime... i play world eaters, so no warptime or lash or +2d6 attacks with a daemon weapon or whatever else, just 1 more sodding attack, its... really...really...exciting.......stuff :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/145945-quick-question/#findComment-1696904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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