Smurfalypse Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Lets start this with background. Ive played chaos space marines since second edition, Word Bearers the entire time. In every game ive played ive always been attracted to the more zealous armies or characters, just a quirk that draws me in. Anyhow, i think ive kinda hit a wall for the first time in this game, i really have no want to play chaos anymore. I dont want this to turn into a codex flogging thread so please keep that stuff out, but im sure im not alone when it comes to just being so bored of the current list that they have moved on. What im looking/asking for is advice to keep things rolling or an optional list to play until things can get righted or redone for chaos to make our junk a little more entertaining. What armies have you all moved on too (if any, as im sure not everyone has moved on). What are some nifty second armies that are doable at a decent cost and entertaining? Assuming necrons are out as they are about as boring as it comes. Grey Knights are awesome and i might be willing to do them, nid are great as well, eldar are out...i just cant bring myself to ever play those sissies :P...Dark eldar are to extinct and bland as well, got a few buddies that play sisters so dont wanna get into that, the new marine dex is a blast but i would feel like a true traitor (but then again i guess i am one :D), orks are great and i would be very very tempted to do them, guard are great as well and ive always had a soft spot for hell hounds, though rumor is they are up second quarter of next year so i might end up buying some stuff that i wouldnt be using in a few months. What else is out there and what do you all think would be a good fit? Any advice welcome and thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Well, myself I've dealt with it by going from gaming/painting&converting to only painting&converting. While thinking of something new to make of the Codex I just had a fantastic vision. Codex: Black Templars. Of course you wont have any Daemons or Possessed or Obliterators or Defilers or anything like that. BUT, the Crusader Squads can count as a coven of Word Bearers with attached Mutants in flak armor and with additional armor plates (for that 4+ save), just equip the "mutants" with Shotguns and you'd be good to go. Then add a Chaplain or something with some Zenobyte servitors or whatever they're called as a Dark Apostle or maybe rather First Acolyte and perhaps the Emperor's Champion as an Coryphaus? Well, it could work pretty well actually. :) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penmarch' Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Well Smurfalypse. first of all let me tell you you're definitely not alone. Flavor has gone out of Chaos with this codex and there's not much we can do about it. Except wait till something better comes along. Or write it ourselves. I'm with Dark Apostle here. Most of my WH40k time is now spend converting and painting. Since I'm also (and foremost) a historical wargamer I still get plenty of gaming time. However..... Since the new Space Marine codex is so obviously rich with options- and overpowering- I have been thinking of trying to get the best of both worlds. Same as you I'd wouldn't really like playing loyalist Space Marines, but there might be an alternative. How about Soul Drinkers? Lovely colour scheme, not really Chaos but definitely not SM either. Just think about it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrum proeliator Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Lets start this with background. Ive played chaos space marines since second edition, Word Bearers the entire time. In every game ive played ive always been attracted to the more zealous armies or characters, just a quirk that draws me in. Anyhow, i think ive kinda hit a wall for the first time in this game, i really have no want to play chaos anymore. I dont want this to turn into a codex flogging thread so please keep that stuff out, but im sure im not alone when it comes to just being so bored of the current list that they have moved on. What im looking/asking for is advice to keep things rolling or an optional list to play until things can get righted or redone for chaos to make our junk a little more entertaining. What armies have you all moved on too (if any, as im sure not everyone has moved on). What are some nifty second armies that are doable at a decent cost and entertaining? Assuming necrons are out as they are about as boring as it comes. Grey Knights are awesome and i might be willing to do them, nid are great as well, eldar are out...i just cant bring myself to ever play those sissies :P...Dark eldar are to extinct and bland as well, got a few buddies that play sisters so dont wanna get into that, the new marine dex is a blast but i would feel like a true traitor (but then again i guess i am one :P), orks are great and i would be very very tempted to do them, guard are great as well and ive always had a soft spot for hell hounds, though rumor is they are up second quarter of next year so i might end up buying some stuff that i wouldnt be using in a few months. What else is out there and what do you all think would be a good fit? Any advice welcome and thanks in advance. Well Smurfalypse. first of all let me tell you you're definitely not alone.Flavor has gone out of Chaos with this codex and there's not much we can do about it. Except wait till something better comes along. Or write it ourselves. I can't help but to agree with both of you here - I've played CSM since the 3rd edition, and imagine my horror with the new codex. It's so bland. I remember the days of founding legions having individual rules etc. To TS, I guess the reason I haven't gotten bored yet is cos every time I start getting sick of playing Iron Warriors, I take a break from playing them, and relax, read some fluff or just chill to some music and not think about 40k. Eventually you start to want to play as your faction again hope this helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Well, once again I agree with you. I, just like TDA, spent more time converting/painting my Word Bearers to match the awesome legion fluff. You're probably going to hate me for this, but I moved on to Ultramarines. Heresy I know. They are the posterboys of GW and are the Nemesis of the Word Bearers. The last one is the reason I'm switching to UM. I'm planning on making a scenic display of WB vs. UM. Something like a "Calth revisited". Maybe making a scenario around it. Basically they'll just be meat for my Word Bearers. I haven't yet decided which company, but probably 2nd (I like the new Sicarius Model) and 4th. Maybe do a mix. Orks are awesome btw, I say go for them. You have to paint a butt-load of models though ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstorm Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Hmm, well i would suggest Tau as your 2nd army, i like the models, (hammerheads in particular) they play really different to my World Eaters, in that their super pewpew, and super mobile, plus the fluff, their innocent and slightly nieve but have a big heart really is a pleasent change at times from 10,000 years of pure evil with no remorse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicili Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Maybe add a bit of flavor to your Word Bearers, I know whats kept me in this long is personal writing and my DIY renegade. Perhaps create some nice new fluff that your warband is affiliated with. Hmm... Anyways I do agree with TDA on his Black Templar idea. It would, again, give a lot of flavor and fun for you in the gaming sector. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Scout Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 You could do 13th company spacewolves. It allows you to use your chaos bits and do some awesome conversions. That said you could call them (red wolves, dark wolves, emperors wolf hounds) and use the new marine codex, then when the NEW chaos codex comes out you can make them into renegade CSM? Good Luck (btw I have templars that I'm repainting into spacewolves, chaos cause the models look so damn mean, orks cause they came with blackreach (kopters look awesome), love impy guard and sisters too I just need to win lotto :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 Well at least im not the only one feeling bored lately :D I think i will go with ork or a new marine list. The white consuls triggered my fancy when i saw them, and the fluff is very open and stuff. No idea though, im actually feeling very depressed about it for the passed two months or so. Also thought about codex daemons but i really really really dislike them, probably more-so than base marines...Guess i could get working on getting the rest of my army painted, that would carry over for a few months easily. We will see. About the marine codex being overpowered...Ive been using it a little lately and i can tell you that it is far from, the special characters however are very very strong but the normal stuff is very pricey pt wise and you are overwhelmingly outnumbered almost every game, its a great feel actually...Kinda how marines are supposed to be. The sheer options in that codex are amazing and most of the stuff is just plain fun, but far from busted. Anyhow, im leaning toward pre-hersey word bearers, the white consuls, or blood axes for orks. Hard choice there :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicili Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I vote for Pre-Heresy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I started playing chaos in the very begaining of 3rd, with the chaos army list in the back of the rule book, there wasn't even a C:csm's yet (for 3rd ed.). As soon as C:csm's 3.0 came out I went with BL when I saw the pic of BL in the dex and read the fluff, they totally jump out at me, WAY more then any other legion. Played BL through dex 3.5 for years and NEVER got bored (and I used to play alot more back then). I've only played 20 games or so with this dex and I have been bored for awhile, and I am BL have alot more options then you other undivided guys (the true ones anyway). I have no desire to do any chaos modeling or painting b/c I'm bored w the dex (I still love :P BL). I dug a box out of my basement that I had packed a 1/2 finished nid army away in YEARS ago (to busy playing my beloved BL to finish them). I finished what I had and added to it by @ 50% then painted that too. Played around w some army list but haven't played them yet. I would suggest you start another army or play around with the upcoming C:s/m both to represent WB's and maybe also as s/m's. I'm going to play around w the new C:s/m's both to try and represent a undivided BL (no marks or cult troops), and also try out reg s/m's b/c I'm considering doing a silver skulls army (b/c they do what they want, not what the Imperium tells them to do). I'm going to try out my nid army as well. BL will always be may fav army, I do hope we get a new dex b4 too long, w/in 2 yrs (yea, I'm holding my breath) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1696796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulas Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 i'm also a rouge trader era player. as others have already said, these things have helped me: conversions: go nuts use up some bits. branch out and do a totally different race. you mentioned IG, now that is a project or two alone. (i've always wanted to do Blood Pact from the Ghosts novels) often i've bought items in the past that i just wanted to paint. griffins and dragons, heck alot of fantasy figures do that to me. playing Word Bearers you must have a good collection of daemons. buy the daemon codex and you have an instant army, with perhaps just a couple purchases. parish the thought but leave 40K for a bit and play fantasy or another gaming system. i've started a fantasy army but slowly painting when power armour gets to be too much. (already have to update the figures as i started a couple editions ago) hope any of this nattering helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1698100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaantitus Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I found that to diversify my interest in 40K I added armies that I could reasonably use as allies or enemies for apoc also. I started with Black legion and then went and added the lost and the damned(more chaos). Then lost and the dammned went the way of the squat so I changed them over to chaos IG. Once i got hold of IA5 I made a few small changes to make them renegades. I have also a small demonhunters force with a radical inquisitor that I can use with the renegades if I play them as allied IG. The thing is that if we had a massive Apoc battle I could put down the renegades with the black legion and the Force of the radical inquisitor and they would all be fluffy as allies. I am tempted to do up a loyalist chapter with hints in their heraldry to indicate that they are Alpha legion in disguise(see imperial armour 5) who can also ally with the demonhunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1698155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalodon Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Go Green, you won't regret it on the table top! Your bank account may file for divorce though. :P Orks are insanely fun to play with their new Codex and the 5th ed rules. They are also Rock 'Ard too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1698158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aioannou Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 in my honest opinion id say try an army where you can have a completely different experience and alot of fun. what i did after my long stint of chaos was 1000pts of catachans. its insanely fun having an entire army infiltrate in woodlands. and 3/4+ cover saves. amazingly fun characters. its also a completely different painting/modelling experience and a great fun :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/146279-hit-a-wall/#findComment-1698625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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