Countercharge and defensive grenades

[Praeger]

Do you really think GW wanted different applications of these rules if one 'counted as moving' and the other 'moved exactly as if'?

 

Well firstly why wouldnt they?

 

Really it makes sense - if your unit always counts as in cover then all cover rules apply, but if they only move as if in cover then its just the movment rules that apply, not anything else.

 

Huge difrence which could very well be done for game balance, fluff reasons, etc etc

[SpideyScott]

So in the DH codex when it says daemons charge as if rolling DT then all the rules for DT during the assualt phase apply then, including going at init 1 if they dont have grenades?

[WarpSpawn]

I would have thought not. It says they must roll for their assault range, as if moving through difficult terrain. This to me is pretty clear that they only suffer the movement penalty as nowhere (that I can see) does it say they "count as" moving though difficult terrain.

[Praeger]

So in the DH codex when it says daemons charge as if rolling DT then all the rules for DT during the assualt phase apply then, including going at init 1 if they dont have grenades?

 

No....thats exactly what im saying isnt correct.

 

If it said they "count as" in terrain then yes, all DT rules would apply - but as it is "move as if" then it is only the movment that matters.

[SpideyScott]

But the only condition for charging at init 1 is rolling a DT test in the assault phase which is what happens with rites of exocism. The assaulting through cover rule isnt part of the DT but part of the assault section. Maybe GW intended this for some kind of balance now that daemons dont roll for instability tests?

[WarpSpawn]

The thing is, if the Rites said the daemon took a difficult terrain test, as if moving through difficult terrain, you might be right as it does indeed say that in the assaulting rules.

 

The rules for Rites however, only says you must roll for assault range. It does not actually call this a difficult terrain test, it merely uses this as a simile, to liken it to moving through difficult terrain. It could very well be that it is not intended to be difficult terrain, and this is simply to illustrate what movement rules are applied. In fact, short of a typing error, it is likely that, given they specifically only mentioned the movement range of the assault, this is all they intended for it to effect. They could have so easilly said "counts as" moving though terrain but did not.

 

In some of these individual cases, it is admittedly not quite as clear what was intended but RAW does still lean reasonably clearly in one direction or another.