Valkyries.

[Grimfoe]

Lars, I understand your point and I'm not trying to carry water for the good doctor, but I don't agree with this allegiance to the fluff. I don't think we should be so concerned with preserving the fluff when the game creators change it at will to accomodate their needs (ie. make more money). Look at Squats, for example. Look at the wolves--there have been significant changes and contradictions in our own fluff.

 

Why do we concern ourselves with loyalty to the fluff when GW has none? Who better to modify the fluff to our own will? The customers or the people providing the service? Clearly the customer should be the one to decide how to apply the fluff and how to fit their own army into the fluff they want to keep. If my army doesn't fit some part of the fluff, I simply ignore the portion I don't fit. Or maybe I'm more creative and I add some fluff to make my army fit.

 

There is NO difference between the way you and I bend the fluff to suit our needs and the way Doc Thunder did. If you don't like the female marines, that's ok. Don't spoil the fun for those that do. Don't make persistent arguements that they shouldn't be there either. This is a made up universe. It's not realy. Of course female marines can be there. The more creative and imaginative people we have making armies, the more diversity we'll see and the more dynamic and fun battles we'll have.

 

Bottom line, drop your loyatly to the fluff. GW has none. When the people that play the game have an idea let them express it. That's where the fun really is in this hobby. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

[Bran Scalphunter]

Okay, in order to save this thread from melta gunning by a mod, I've come up with a compromise for the parties involved:

 

1) This is for Lars: Dok Thunder's Black Widows are not actually Female Marines, they are a group of Marines who have a hormonal imbalance causing them to develop breasts and slighter figures. They hail from a world with weird names, so that explains their names. Said world is deep in the Galactic northeast (sorry if I'm wrong on the location Dok) so they are rarely, if ever seen by other forces of the Imperium. However, Lars's Company is a historic (it no longer exists in Current 40k fluff) Company.

 

2) For the good Dok: Your Black Widows are as above, but to compromise with Lars's Steel Fangs, they are a past Company who's Lord died and was replaced by one of the current Lords of the Fang (sorry Lars).

 

I've done my best to settle the argument, so try to be nice and if all possible drop it so no one gets in trouble. No offense is meant to an angry Wolves or Widows so please don't hunt my sorry arse down now.

 

*goes off to get an ale and hide*

[WolfLordLars]

Wow.. you see, now that is somewhat plausible. :)

[barek]

... as for the gaming, I don't give a hoot whether you say ... your death company is a mass of women on their period raging forward, as long as the model is 40k, and I have clear LoS, I will kill it all the same.

 

:) ;) :lol:

 

Stepping in late.

 

I'm all for expanding the fluff as GW do themselves anyway. I like the idea of power armoured woman warriors. The emperor needs marines. We all know Fenrisian woman know how to fight, that they sometimes support their brothers in battle, that some become fearsome warriors, known for their skill with bow and thowing blade. So why not recruit them? The completely accidental and suprising new developments in gene seed manipulation allow this. Who would not like the idea of proud Fenrisian brothers and sisters fighting for Russ and the Emperor?

 

"The Valkyries, were warrior maidens who attended Odin, ruler of the gods. The Valkyries rode through the air in brilliant armor, directed battles, distributed death lots among the warriors, and conducted the souls of slain heroes to Valhalla, the great hall of Odin. Their leader was Brunhild." (http://home4.inet.tele.dk/svava/valkyrie.htm)

 

Sounds to me like Od... I mean Russ had a plan when he ordered the Valkyries into existance.

 

Edit: maybe bodyguarding the old and venerable Wolf Priests?

[Menathorn]

Well Brothers, I have heard a lot of things about female marines here now. I agree that fluff "crimes" sometimes works and are fine, and sometimes not. The Emperor is on the Throne and not out in the galaxy. There could be female marines, for over 10 000 years gene-seed mutate. Even if you all don't agree with what I want, that is how I will play the game and that is my choice. No more talk about should or should it not be any female Space Marines.

 

As for my minis I might do a mould for the front and build it with green stuff. So that I could make many of them.

 

Barek: Better late than never;) I was thinking of having them with my Wolf Priest, giving them Flamer, PW's, BP's and CC weapons. Thoughts on that set-up?

 

All of you on the count of Female Marines: Thanks a lot for all the input. Now I do know what I might face when I put them on the table. So far all the gamers I have talked to are fine with it. They gave me a stare for a second and then told me that I should make a mould.

 

What do you think would work as "spear" staves? I do want them to look epic!

 

Thanks so far Brothers.

[barek]

I was thinking of having them with my Wolf Priest, giving them Flamer, PW's, BP's and CC weapons. Thoughts on that set-up?

 

It depends: are you going to taken them as Wolf Guard, or as experienced Grey Hunters? For Grey Hunters I would obviously go for the usual equipment. When taken as terminator Wolf Guard I would check out Littlebitz set up. He uses termi's a lot and obviously knows what he's doing. If you want to take them as Wolf Guard in power armour ... don't. Termi armour is but 5 points more expensive. My two cents.

[Menathorn]

I was thinking of using them as Grey Hunters. I have done Grey Hunters with CC and BP's. Standard stuff would be Bolters and CC's?

[barek]

Yep. Or BP and CCW :D . Depends on the ride I think.

 

I plan on using the 'WG (pf, combi bolter melta), 2 x BP and Power Sword, meltagun, 2 PP and CCW, and 4 bolters' set up. I'm building a drop pod for them right now.

 

If you plan on using a Raider I would use the BP & CCW combination.

 

But don't take my word for it. There's much more experienced Wolf Lords out there!

[Legatus]

http://www.solegends.com/citcat88/4005adventurers-01.jpg

 

Figure #04 top right hand of the page shows a Female in Space Marine armor. I came across the actual figure a long time ago, in my early days playing space wolves. It is in fact a female with short hair in a slimmer marine armor. Although the mini was ugly, keep in mind it was in the early days of Rouge Trader. The minitures then weren't the greatest but at the time they were the best we had and they were the blue prints of what we have now.

 

Sorry for dragging up that old post again, but I have seen that myth about the old female Space Marine models before (there is a second one) and just wanted to debunk it quickly.

 

In the same catalogue where the two females in power armour were featured, there were also a lot of new Space Marines models included as well, as can be seen here. But the two females weren't put with all the other Space Marines, and instead are among the "adventurers". So they are obviously not Space Marines. Back then all power armour was built very similar, as can be seen on the sister of battle illustration in the rogue trader rulebook. A sister of battle or a female rogue trader in full battle gear and power armour would basicaly look like a female astartes. Today, Sisters of Battle or female inqisitors in power armour have a distinct look, and do not wear astartes style power armour.

[barek]

"Back then all power armour was built very similar... A sister of battle or a female rogue trader in full battle gear and power armour would basically look like a female astartes." Legatus

 

Aha! Interesting! This opens up new possibilities. I'm thinking about 'transformative surgery' as described in codex Dark Angels. Luther was made a space marine in this way (Codex DA, p.8)