Which Chaos Gods would ally?

[Iscasrioth]

Hey guys, i've just abandoned the light of the Emperor and im starting to build an army of Chaos (Black Legion) to be my number one army (the dark angels are now on the shelf - yeah im a fallen). Right now i have a big doubt which cult troops would be ok to be in my army list at the same time? I want to build a khorne - tzeentch army but that seems so unfluffy to me and i cant stand playing with unfluffy armies.

 

So, please tell me what cult troops can i get at the same time in my army?

 

- by the way, another question: Terminator Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince?

 

Thanks a lot!

[Teg]

As I remember (I may be wrong), the polar opposites of Chaos are:

Khorne - Slaanesh

Nurgle - Tzeentch

So using 'zerkers and rubrics is OK. :lol:

 

PS: I'd say a Prince, solely because my Lord always dies to lascannons. :lol:

[Brother Nihm]

- by the way, another question: Terminator Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince?

Prince or PA Lord.

 

 

My 2 Kraks

[Rain]

Well the main issue is that khorne hates sorcery however, as per fluff as I remember it, although rubrics would probably not follow a khorne lord and zerks would not follow a tzeentch one, an undivided lord could feasibly make pacts with both gods and so both kinds of troops would follow him. As for HQ choice, I am of the opinion (probably shared by some others) that terminator lords are fairly terrible. They require a Landraider to get anywhere which is a points sink, as a deepstriking lord will get cut to pieces by shooting. Personally I recommend either a DP with wings or a power armored chaos lord with wings and a demon weapon or even one without wings in a rhino if your list is mechanized and you have a lot of armor on the table to diffuse your opponent's AT shooting.

[Iscasrioth]

Thanks again!

 

Well, my issue with the termie lord is that i bought one because i thought the model was way to badass to miss. I played with him and i was very pleased but for less points i could have a S6; T5 beast and i went like meh :\

 

Anyways ill follow your advice and i will use an undivided lord so i can group the zerkers and the rubrics ;)

[chillin]

As the others have said : khoren hates slanny, Tz hates nurgle, and vice versa.

So Tz and khorne are ok in the same army fluffwise.

That being said, taking brzrkrs and rubrics in the same army usually doesn't wk out very well on the tabletop IMO, b/c you are going in two different directions. But give it a try if you want.

 

As Rain sz, if you really want to be BL fluffy and you want two different kinds of cult troops in your army use a undivided (unmarked) chaos lord or DP. The undivided D. weop is one of the best IMO anyway, and undivided lords and DP are cheap(ish) pointswise and effective.

As someone else said, don't go with termi lord, go with D. weop (or lightningclaws) and wings or DP with wings and warptime.

 

Welcome to the BL

[chillin]

Thanks again!

 

Well, my issue with the termie lord is that i bought one because i thought the model was way to badass to miss. I played with him and i was very pleased

 

Well if you liked him and liked the model keep using him sometimes. But the + movement of wings really gets him where you need him and can make a huge difference.

[Deneris]

- by the way, another question: Terminator Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince?

 

 

To buck the trend, I'd vote for the Lord in Terminator armor. Granted, part of the reason is that I see Thousand Sons HATING mutations and whatnot, and my Lord has a ongoing vendetta against a few Daemon Princes that were once Thousand Sons.

 

Also, a Termie Lord can "hide" in a group of terminators (Or even other footsloggers) while the Daemon Prince tends to attract the attention of every high strength/AP gun on the table as he can't really hide, even IN terrain...

 

"Standard" Termie Lord for me? MoT and a Deathscreamer...

[Zealot Of Chaos]

well really any of the forces would ally but only to reach common goals, for example in the daemon codex under the fluff for the blue scribes it states tzeentch used to rule supreme over the other gods until they all allied to overthrow him, and somewhere it also says that the powers of the gods waxes and wanes and when one beomes too powerful the other gods ally to bring them down a notch or two, therefore theoretically any of the gods can and will ally at any time as long as it suits their needs, even the polar opposites are convieniently forgotten when common goals are around (and picked up as soon as possible after)

[the jeske]

Daemon Princes that were once Thousand Sons.

thanks to ahriman there is only one 1ksons demon prince . 20 years of fluff and no other then magnus .

 

for me the zerker/1ksons are problematics [aside for not being a good combo like chill said] is that there are no 1ksons outside of the 1ksons legion or the ahriman cabal . Zerkers/PMs are good , but then again zerkers+pms + oblits +2 dps is the generic "chaos" army of this dex .

[Iscasrioth]

So what combos do you advice me? I currently have a BF + 5 Terminators and a Terminator Lord and im planning to expand till the 2000 points. I honestly dont now if i plan to stick with the zerkers so any advice you can give me will be more than welcome.

[the jeske]

want an effective list or one with models you like ?

[Iscasrioth]

It would be better if it included at least some of the models, but whats important for me now is to get to know some of the effective troop combos out there.

[chillin]

So what combos do you advice me? I currently have a BF + 5 Terminators and a Terminator Lord

 

I can't think of what a BF is ??

No one can advise you as to what combos to use with out knowing what kind of army you want to run ??

[chillin]

but whats important for me now is to get to know some of the effective troop combos out there.

 

All of the chaos troops are effective but thay are for different things and don't always wk well mixed together.

Usually is a game 2000 pt are less I will only take 1 cult troop types and the rest csm's.

 

What kind of cult troop type depends on what kind of army I want to run that day.

So what kind of army do you want to run ? how do you wnat to play ?

[Iscasrioth]

BF is a battleforce ;)

 

Well, i want to run 2 types of armies, one of them with heavy CC and another with lots os sorcerers hence my ideia of combining tzeentch and khorne.

[chillin]

Like I said Tz and khorne don't combine very well IMO.

I would start with a good base of csm's, termi's, whatever HS you like then get your T'son and your brzrkrs.

If you feel like playing hth heavy army take your brzrkrs, some csm's w/ fistachamps and flamers/meltas, maybe a LR to get those brzrkrs the charge, rinos, maybe defiler and oblits, maybe a undivided chaos lord w/ D. weop and wings or khorne lord w LC's and wings, no T'sons.

Want to go with sorc's and shooty take the same csm's but with 2 plasma guns, champs aren't a most b/c you want be in hth as much, your T'son's, oblits, maybe a vindi or pred, havocs, an undivided sorc w/ wings & doombolt or a Tz DP.

One of the great things about BL is that you can change out a few squads and models and have a army that plays totally differently.

[the jeske]

well As BL is the uber of this dex [mixing different marks/icons is their tread mark] its easy .

For the cc list . 4 zerker units in rhinos 2 lash princes and 4 oblits + shop/club meta [termi kamikaze units if there is a lot of mecha lists or/and a dakka pred if there are tough horde armies etc] . 1ksons are a hard army to play with [the glass canon of chaos dex] sure they can woop some butt with ap3 bolters , but for those to really work well squads have to be big , because lose of 2 /3 1ksons drasticlly lowers their power lvl [unlike zerkers or pms].

But 3 9 man 1ksons 4 oblits , some lash princes maybe should work well.

[Dammeron]

The Chaos Gods are known to ally with any one of their brethren, given the right circumstances, though due to entrenched enmities and conflicts in aspect, they are more likely to take certain allies than others. Khorne and Slaanesh are diametrically opposed; Khorne despises Slaanesh's self indulgence, his preening self interest and love of pleasure as effete and pointless foppery. Likewise, Slaanesh regards Khorne as a dull and unimaginative bore whose only interest is to slay, slay, slay. Khorne also has a particular enmity for Tzeentch, whose scheming and use of sorcery he disdains as cowardly. It seems that, of all of his brother Gods, it is only Nurgle with whom Khorne has no particular beef.

 

Tzeentch and Nurgle are also enemies. Tzeentch is the incarnation of hope, change, life and evolution just as Nurgle is despair, stagnation, death and decay. The two are elementally opposed to one another, as such that which fuels one weakens the other.

[DuskRaider]

I've always said, and continue to say, Nurgle and Khorne are really the only Gods I can see hitting it off well. For in all wars, one follows the other. Bloodshed and death lead to disease and decay. I believe this alliance is well founded, and my Chaos Daemons army is solely Nurgle and Khorne. I also have a Renegade Militia army that's a pact between the two gods, a huge Death Guard army, and I'll soon be starting a World Eaters army to incorporate all of them into a gigantic Apocalypse army.

[Dammeron]

I've always said, and continue to say, Nurgle and Khorne are really the only Gods I can see hitting it off well. For in all wars, one follows the other. Bloodshed and death lead to disease and decay. I believe this alliance is well founded, and my Chaos Daemons army is solely Nurgle and Khorne. I also have a Renegade Militia army that's a pact between the two gods, a huge Death Guard army, and I'll soon be starting a World Eaters army to incorporate all of them into a gigantic Apocalypse army.

 

I imagine Tzeentch and Slaanesh would probably get on quite well too, since like Nurgle and Khorne, both have certain aspects that overlap. Both are patrons of intellectual and creative souls, both employ subtlety and guile over might at arms to achive etheir goals. The core emotions from which they developed - hope and desire respectively- are also reflections of one another, just as rage and despair are inextricably bound in the human psyche.

[Iscasrioth]

I want to thank all for your help (the loyalist foruns are a bit less active). I finally decided that i will stay with Khorne + Nurgle + Undivided squads. You can see my army list for 1500 and 2000 points.