Commander Skaav Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 Is this ok as it is, or should I post the finalised version in an entirely new post? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-1779303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 This is the updated version of my Liber Astartes entry, I've added a few extra bits of information, plus I've separated some sections into new ones. I've also rewritten some sections completely, in order to make them more readable, and perhaps make a little more sense since reading the original version. I hope this will be the final version in all honesty, because I am not certain of what else there is to say or do, but if any one who has the opportunity to read this spots anything, or has an idea on further improvements, do let me know, and thoughts or advice is always appreciated. :) ;) :jaw: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 My only question, and perhaps I just missed it in the writing, is how did they patch up things with the Inquisition? If both Loyalists and Traitors fled to the Eye of Terror to escape the Inquisition, how do the Loyalists pop back into real space and rejoin the Imperium without being shot on sight? The Inquisition has long memories, and they are VERY unforgiving. Does the Chapter exist as Renegades, fighting the enemies of the Emperor, but dodging his agents? If you did explain it, I apologize, I just never saw it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 My only question, and perhaps I just missed it in the writing, is how did they patch up things with the Inquisition? If both Loyalists and Traitors fled to the Eye of Terror to escape the Inquisition, how do the Loyalists pop back into real space and rejoin the Imperium without being shot on sight? The Inquisition has long memories, and they are VERY unforgiving. Does the Chapter exist as Renegades, fighting the enemies of the Emperor, but dodging his agents? If you did explain it, I apologize, I just never saw it. Many thanks for commenting, I can certainly say that you make an excellent point that I have totally failed to note in the topic. I will need to add this section to the history, but basically, after the loyalists went on a penitent crusade (like the Lamenters) they are accepted by the Inquisition, but monitored very closely (I have created an Inquisitor that I will mention in the history too). They still though hold the stigma that a good number of their brothers fell to the ruinous powers, and thus are not completely trusted by the other Chapters, though there are some who believe them to have been redeemed. I will list these all in the main section though, to keep it flowing and accurate. Once again thanks for commenting, it's greatly appreciated. :D :blush: :) :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I guess my only warning with that would be that getting a meeting with anyone but the most Radical Inquisitors would be nearly impossible. In the time since they fled to the Eye, the forces following them probably went home and reported that the Sons of Drachus are forever lost to Chaos, and should be treated as enemies whenever they are found. That would then be disseminated to the rest of the Imperium, and every single organization with remote ties to the HLoT or the Inquisition would shoot first and ask questions later. The Imperium isn't big on redemption, save redemption through death and pain. Just something to think about. Other than that, I really like the chapter, and the mysteriousness of finding their Chapter Master (coincidence, or guiding light of the Emperor) really seems unique. But I don't honestly see them ever being allowed back in the Imperium again. They are too shoot first, shoot again, shoot some more, and then ask a question or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 The version shown on the first page of this topic thread is the most up-to-date version, I've added some new sections, and split some of the former sections, in order to break up some of the history, to make it a little less heavy to read Before most sections were split by me, most were written as one whole block which even I found took too long to read. This new format and layout should make it more informative, and easier to quickly scan through for the main aspects of my Liber Astartes Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 With the CHAPTER MASTER swearing allegiance to Chaos, why should the Inquisition NOT simply exterminate the entire Chapter, INCLUDING LOYALISTS, just in case? Nathaniel Garro is an example of a loyalist who didn't (immediately) fall victim to such paranoia, but he brought evidence to prove his innocence to a PRIMARCH and the SIGILLITE- two individuals with the authority to shield the loyalist from any would-be executioners. Note Garro's actions did NOT spare the Death Guard from getting declared "Excommunicate Traitoris," which means any surviving loyalists will NOT continue to fight under the Death Guard's colors (given the situation, it's plausible Garro repainted his armor in the Imperial Fists' colors, and served under Dorn). In short, the loyalist Sons of Drachus will NOT continue to call themselves the "Sons of Drachus," even if the traitors changed the Chapter's name to "Sons of Barney the Purple Dinosaur" or something. Note the names "Astral Claws" and "Tiger Claws" were NOT reused by newfound Chapters after the Red Corsairs turned traitor- hell, not even "Dusk Raiders" or "Luna Wolves" was reused! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2452937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 First off, I never realised writing a Liber Astartes entry would be so much hard work, but fun! :D ^_^ :) Ok... so now to the business end of this matter I guess my only warning with that would be that getting a meeting with anyone but the most Radical Inquisitors would be nearly impossible. In the time since they fled to the Eye, the forces following them probably went home and reported that the Sons of Drachus are forever lost to Chaos, and should be treated as enemies whenever they are found. That would then be disseminated to the rest of the Imperium, and every single organization with remote ties to the HLoT or the Inquisition would shoot first and ask questions later. The Imperium isn't big on redemption, save redemption through death and pain. Just something to think about. Other than that, I really like the chapter, and the mysteriousness of finding their Chapter Master (coincidence, or guiding light of the Emperor) really seems unique. But I don't honestly see them ever being allowed back in the Imperium again. They are too shoot first, shoot again, shoot some more, and then ask a question or two. Shinzaren I now realise what you mean in your topic response, I definitely think I will need to change the stylings of the section of how they came back into the Imperium, and what happened when they met with other's of their kind. I'll probably change Jovek to being a more radical form of Inquisitor, probably more Hereticus than Malleus, as I think he would be better suited to that kind of work. With the CHAPTER MASTER swearing allegiance to Chaos, why should the Inquisition NOT simply exterminate the entire Chapter, INCLUDING LOYALISTS, just in case? Nathaniel Garro is an example of a loyalist who didn't (immediately) fall victim to such paranoia, but he brought evidence to prove his innocence to a PRIMARCH and the SIGILLITE- two individuals with the authority to shield the loyalist from any would-be executioners. Note Garro's actions did NOT spare the Death Guard from getting declared "Excommunicate Traitoris," which means any surviving loyalists will NOT continue to fight under the Death Guard's colors (given the situation, it's plausible Garro repainted his armor in the Imperial Fists' colors, and served under Dorn). In short, the loyalist Sons of Drachus will NOT continue to call themselves the "Sons of Drachus," even if the traitors changed the Chapter's name to "Sons of Barney the Purple Dinosaur" or something. Note the names "Astral Claws" and "Tiger Claws" were NOT reused by newfound Chapters after the Red Corsairs turned traitor- hell, not even "Dusk Raiders" or "Luna Wolves" was reused! 'Bjorn Firewalker' I will take this information to hand, I can easily rework this section of the "Sons" history, just needs a little tweaking here and there. In fact I did consider a third name for the Chapter anyway, Son's of Drachus, was the first, Children of the Dragon is the renegade name, but the third I've considered is infact Knights of Revelation as "Revelation" is the name of their new home world (another thing I ought to explain actually is that there original home world is now lost, believed designated "exterminatus" by the Inquisition. Thanks once again all, it's greatly appreciated, will make the amendments as each are suggested. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2453273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 The version now up is the most updated and most recent version yet. With the help of those kind enough to point out some holes in the history, I have managed to amend it to what I hope is the most distinct and comprehensive history and Chapter Structure description yet. Of course if any one else has any thoughts or opinions, please do let me know, I have a feeling there's still alot to amend before it can be finalised, who knows, this might be a Liber Astartes that constantly changes due to new opinions and ideas. :D :) :D ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2453312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Yeah, just took a skim of the new section. Looked pretty good. Definitely more realistic for them to be dodge-y with the Inquisition, while still being loyalist. Liking the changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2453637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Yeah, just took a skim of the new section. Looked pretty good. Definitely more realistic for them to be dodge-y with the Inquisition, while still being loyalist. Liking the changes. Many thanks, if you do have any future thoughts for this topic, do let me know, I have a feeling I may have a long way to go yet before it's a definitive history for my Chapter and their kin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2453680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 The mess with the Inquisition suggests the loyalist Sons of Drachus will be considered RENEGADES at best. Maybe say a Lord Inquisitor was present when Maximillian declared allegiance to Chaos, and that the loyalists saved his life when the traitors tried to assassinate the Lord Inquisitor? (Not hard, considering the infighting that plagues this organization.) When the Inquisition ponders whether or not it should kill ALL Sons of Drachus, just in case, the Lord Inquisitor testifies in support of the loyalist Sons of Drachus, so they're sentenced to a pennance crusade instead of getting excommunicated and executed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2453876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Skaav Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share Posted September 24, 2010 NEWEST UPDATE (24/09/2010) Am thinking of working a bit more on the background, might take a few small segments out, but add a few new ones in else where. All in all, I feel that there is very little else I can do to this, but please do continue to give comments and thoughts, as this Liber Astartes for my chapter, will be in my opinion an ongoing project. I have a feeling like any good Warhammer 40K army, it will never be truly finished, simply refined and improved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147267-the-sons-of-drachus/page/2/#findComment-2520587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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