Brother SRM Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I've been playing Wolves since June 08, and one of the first bits of awesome I found was the runic charm. Rerollable armor save? Sign me up! I had these on all my Wolf Guard in Terminator armor, and the guys were nigh invulnerable. Well, I glanced through the armory in my Space Wolf 'dex one day to find that there was no little "T" indicating that they could be taken by Wolf Guard Terminators. There was a T next to the Runic Charm on the non-Wolf Guard list, but not on the Wolf Guard list. In other words, Wolf Guard in power armor can take charms, and Independent characters in Terminator armor can take runic charms, but the middle ground, Wolf Guard in Terminator armor can not. I rectified this and stopped taking them on my Wolf Guard Termies, but I still hear from Wolves here and there that they use charms on their Termies. Is this a misprint/oversight in my codex, or is it actually illegal to take charms on my Wolf Guard in Terminator armor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I believe that is fixed with the FAQ. I have always given my Terminators RC's. Edit: Its on page 2 of the new FAQ. Runic Charms, Wolf Tooth Necklaces, and Wolf Pelts should all have that little 't' next to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 WolfLordLars is indeed correct (as befits an Old Wolf like himself) - find it Here. Just to clarify, you realise you can only reroll ONE failed ARMOUR save ONCE per game - no invunerable saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yea it's a one time deal, and it's only the armor save, not the invulnerable. What I use is little stones, (somewhat shiny in nature and rounded) to resemble my runic charms, then as I use each one I put it away, (almost like some SoB players use for Faith points). It helps me keep track. As lars said, it's in the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I NEVER leave home without them for my wg termies. 5 LTS to save a 55-70 of model is a no brained. Indeed they work with power armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Old? Who are you calling Old?!?! Why.. in my day... ... wait... ... what was I saying? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmstedtr Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 its okay grandpa lets put you back in bed away from all the pups Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The God Emperor Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Or you can be assistant to the other old men, Dark Bjoern and Beef. Not being old is a bad thing, more wisdom and experience like the other two old men. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother SRM Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 I know what they do and how to use them - I just saw that little thing as an oversight. Thanks all, pups and longfangs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I would like to think of myself as Wolf Guard rather than Long Fang... but, I imagine being a LF would let me get away with SOOO much more crap. Its ok for the old guys to be cranky... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The God Emperor Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 And I would like to think of myself as an esteemed Grey Hunter with some more knowledge to know rather than a Bloodclaw. :huh: Runic Charms? Almost all my 60+ points models have Runic Charm to help it survive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bedsides.... compare it to the price for terminator honors, and then remember that it doesnt actually help you offensively. Offense is almost always costed more than defense, wich is funny as defense is historicly the harder to produce. *Shrugs* In any case I dont think its overpowering at all. We have to pay more, and were supposed to be tougher, than the average marine- termi or otherwise. This helps represent it without all the power of an actual second wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I mean shoot, just look at the 1kS terminators... talk about expensive. I love the look on someone's face when I finally roll that 1 on that 2+ save... then gladly re-roll it and save my precious terminator. :confused: I also love when someone asks why I have assault terminators mixed with shooting ones and how is that illegal, then I gladly explain, going through costs, wargear options, the works, and then you see their army avoiding my unit like it was the plague. :lol: Oh, I'd like to think I'm a grey hunter, or even a WGL for a grey hunter squad, but then I wake up and see a dreadnought and I think "gotta git it!". <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1708881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I also love when someone asks why I have assault terminators mixed with shooting ones and how is that illegal, then I gladly explain, going through costs, wargear options, the works, and then you see their army avoiding my unit like it was the plague. :) Something similar happened to me once. Some kid started going on and on about how I couldnt field X, Y, and Z because the C:SM said so. I let him go on for about 5 minutes, acting like he was really knowledgeable (I think he was 16?), nodding the whole time. Then, in order, I addressed every issue with a page of the Space Wolf codex. He couldnt believe any of it.. not the mixed terminators, the wargear, the PW+PF in each GH pack (PLUS a WGBL), even the Leman Russ. The best part? He was pissed because someone told him that the Space Wolves sucked as an army when he started, so he didnt even bother looking at them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1709390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Alot of guys at my store dont even think of them as an army... they figure theyre a white dwarf article like the Blood Angels. *snorts* But none have tried to tell me I couldnt field something.... Im known for being really honest from my eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1709568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I noticed my local game store quit stocking the codex... a year or so ago? AFAIC the army is valid until we get a new codex or there is a total revamp of the rules which invalidates our codex (and every other one) - like 3rd ed did to 2nd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1709573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother SRM Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 I had a lot of people come up to me and say things like "You can't take 3 assault cannons in a terminator squad" and "Combi weapons? Like Chaos has?" along with the aforementioned "Close combat and shooty termies in the same squad?" at which point I refer them over to the armory page in the 'dex. Once again, thanks for addressing the runic charm issue, my terminators can go back to their old survivable selves! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCarter Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 On a closely related topic, has anyone else noticed that (with the demise of FAQ 4.1) the Wolf Priest's Healing Potions now work on invulnerable and cover saves? The only requirement is that you must be careful about the order in which you roll your saves because it must be the first failed save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Personally, I build off of old FAQ's. They disallowed using it for Inv saves last edition, I still wont... even though they dont mention it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 If it is true that the HP&B allow you to roll for invlneralbe and cover sames? Anyone not taking this option is a loco wolf. This news has made my WP on a bike even more valuable to my BCs, now the squad can turbo boost and still use the HP&B. outstanding. Sgt. Vrox over Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Eh, I dont think thats legit. They seemed to just have forgot to carry it over. I want to see what the SW community at large has to say about it before I start messing around. There are levels of broken I am just not quite comfortable crossing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It says "Saving throw". At the time it meant cover saves and invulnerable saves, I have no problem with going back to that- Ill note that also means cover saves in the new edition where they are seperate things. Sorry... but going from a 2+ to a 5+ is rough enough... let the balms work like they should. For 25 points its not much to ask. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Did the old use of RC include Inv and Cover saves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Put the RAW in a 3rd edition context- there was armor saves, invulnerable saves, and IIRC dodge saves... all were considered "saving throws" when you "threw" the dice. My codex specificly says a failed "saving throw" may be ignored.... so I considered that to be cover saves, invulnerable saves, armor saves.... everything. One guy, who plays chaos btw, even told me he could see it as meaning the save from wolf tails! though I dont agree with that one... I can see it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147286-runic-charms/#findComment-1710772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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