WG Vrox Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I was working an army list and had a Duh! moment. In creating a Def/Hold unit, I thought why not take a plasma pistol as the CCW and a Bolter. We instruct our troopers in what true grit is for Emperor sake, why not use it. +11 points gains you the ability to shoot 24" and if you are like me, there have been times I didn't want to double tap my plasma pistol but had no option since the rest of my unit was DTing. Those 11 points buy me that option. SOLD! I am sure for many commanders out there this has been done effectively, but for me it just didn't occure me until now. So I pass it along to those other commanders like me, who are trying to figure out the angles of the game. Just another option we have as Space Wolfs. Sgt. Vrox Salutes all who bring glory to their chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Howland Greywolf Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I think the plasma pistol is bought to replace the bolt pistol. But if it turns out you can do this then, well, space wolves just got harder yet again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 No that's not legal. You either have Boltpistol/ ccw or Bolter or Bolter/ truegritt/ ccw, although the last says you are equiped with an extra ccw that weapon canot shoot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Besides, as for commander... while it might be interesting, thats why combiplasma has been made. You wouldnt be able to give the guy any CC. And a Spacewolf HQ without closecombat is is like.... like.... like.... a bar without liquor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 As others have said it's not possible, also, while your idea for the shooting aspect is nice, it leaves CC a little less enjoyable. The pp/ccw is a way for us to get that extra attack first charge or counter, plus if you're not always shooting your bolter or PP then it's a wasted shot and points, I like getting my maximum amount all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 Well as for the CC weapon I know for a fact a pistol can be used for a CCW for WYSIWIG modeling purposes, In addition any good SW would carry their trusty 12" combat knive as a back up for CC. A good SW is always prepared for CC. The rule of a pistol being a CC has rule has been in place for years for models, why do you think they call a chain sword an additional CCW. Many of my models have two pistols instead of a chain sword or knife in their off hand. Just like the look of the model. Gives me another option when trying to make each model a unique piece. The only thing that brought it to my mind was it being an option in Army Builder. Now we all know AB has many faults and I agree this option does not follow along with the spirit of the rule, but if you take a basic model and immidetly think of it as having two bolt pistols, 1 for a weapon and the other for CCW. Then you have the option of replacing one of those pistols with a plasma pistol and the other pistol with a bolter. Ok you can cry cheese now, but at least give me kudos for giving it some merit here. Heck, I would even settle for a plasma pistol in one hand and a bolt pistol in the other with an option to fire one of my choice. Sgt. Vrox out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Sgt. Vrox, we're not saying this isn't a possible fluff outcome in 40k universe (look at cypher, bolt pistol, plasma pistol), what we're saying is it's not legal in the game to field. In the SW codex it clearly states "up to two models in the pack may replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol at..." Also, when you're talking about the line where it states replace bolt pistol/ccw with a bolter and close combat weapon for x points, it's referring to a weapon such as a chainsword, you can't take a plasma pistol in the ccw place if you're not paying the points for it, and since the option isn't there (it doesn't say plasma pistol) that means you CANNOT take it. For modeling purposes it's also illegal, if you field a plasma pistol, and say it's a ccw then you cannot play the model, because it's a plasma pistol, not a ccw. If you play a friendly match, then it's ok, but at a WYSIWYG setting you CANNOT field that model. We're not hindering you, we're helping you so you don't run into trouble later. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 So much for working the angles on that thought, Ty all for correcting a Battle Brother from going off the time tested and approved Codex of Arms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 So much for working the angles on that thought, Ty all for correcting a Battle Brother from going off the time tested and approved Codex of Arms. It's no problem, that's what the B&C is here for. :huh: When I first started playing, my cousin used to field a whole army of death company... :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147309-bolter-and-pp/#findComment-1708972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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