Shiodome Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hey, i'm looking to make a small detachment (500 points) of marines, descendants of Russ. I'd like to use a successor chapter of space wolves rather than the original sons of Russ, just because i prefer the elbow room it gives me for background, squad markings, heraldry etc :confused: But having looked about on this site, the GW site and a bit of googling i'm struggling to find any decent resource listing the space wolves successors and their colour schemes? If anyone could point me in the right direction it'd be greatly appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 We had have only one successor chapter, the Wolf Brothers, and they are no more cause of a defect of their geneseed. The only way for you is to create a "Lost Company". Try searchy for that and you will find a lot of stuff here at the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1708891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I love using lost company armies, being able to use my 13th company now as a "lost company" gives me options to tanks and such. So I'm liking it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1708897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiodome Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 aww, that's quite a blow. no wonder searches weren't turning much up. will do some reading around, if the lost company idea doesn't feel right might just have to go with 'counts as' and start my own fluff from scratch (which always appeals :confused:) thanks for the help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1708909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Keep in mind of the angle of lost companies...in essence these are our "successors". Lost companies are companies which may have left the fang for good, evil(traitor) or neutral reasons. Wolf Lords pledge their loyalty to Russ and the Emperor and the chapter, but they do not necessarily maintain fealty to the current great wolf. Wolf Lords do not always agree (no surprise given our anti authoritarian nature) with the Great Wolf, and many rivalries exist with peer Wolf Lords, so if your rival gets picked over you for great wolf some lords may rather leave the chapter v/s submit themselves to the direction of their staunch rival. This does not mean they go traitor, simply they take their Company and fight the battles in the name of Russ on their own. Or some Companies may be so far from the Fang that the time it takes to return is too long v/s staying and fighting in a troubled sector. The oldest and most famous example is the 13th company who were lost during the Heresy when they ventured into the Eye. I could see while during their exodus many companies may adopt some different tactics and even color schemes. Very viable "successor" IMHO. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1709389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 My most loved story is company's that are lost in the warp for 300 years, while they might think there only gone for 10 years but the fang reports them lost and replaces the company. There still loyal to the fang and the great wolf, and can still get BC's but are not a chapter in the books of the imperium. Company's like this and the ones above that stay loyal to russ, lat wolf time commence and let the wolves gather :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1709535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The B&C Librarium. For all your Space Marine needs. Of Space Wolf Successors and Lost Companies should have the information you need in this area. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1709544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Space Wolf successor chapters are not a popular topic on these boards, but you might find more bastard sons of Russ than you think. In the end it is your army. Howl at the moon Brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1709578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.germaine Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I have agree with C.D. that this is one of those topics that's less than popular amongst the fluff-active. I'm curious as to your desire for a SW successor. Do you like the rules or is the feel of SW that you like? If it's the latter and you weren't aware of the seeming lack of successors after the Wolf Brothers, you may be out of luck if strict adherence to canon is your bag. If you want to try and justify the concept without ruffling too many feathers, focus on the word "known". There are two foundings that can shoulder the burden of mystery - the Dark Founding(13th) and the Cursed Founding(21st). Very little detail is actually available about these foundings in the fluff or in our world in print. Rumors of usage of traitor legion geneseed in the DF and possible genetic manipulation and/or use of traitor geneseed in the CF are hooks that might lead one to having an experiment with SW geneseed in one of these foundings as the source of your chapter. It's shakey at best and won't satisfy all of the fluff nazis but it is a viable platform to base an argument on. If you just like the rules, there is nothing that says that a chapter has to be the Space Wolves or a SW successor exclusively to use their codex. Geneseed from another chapter that recruits from a suitably barbaric society and has let the society's traits flavor the chapter more than a little could account for a similar structure that justifies the use of this codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1710043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiodome Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 space wolves got me 'into' marines. i started 40k as an eldar player, but read some GW novel based on the wolves and just loved them completely (who wouldn't?!), but i've always prefered to play with 'vanilla' rule sets, and leave the character and style of my army to my imagination and the way i play on the battlefield (rather than have my armies character spoon fed to me via special rules/characters). so i've never collected space wolves (or dark angels, salamanders, blood angels etc), but always liked their character. i'm starting a new army soon, which i envisioned as an imperial guard army commandeered by a small detatchment of 'space wolves style' marines, for a specific campaign (500points marines, 1,500 guard... very infantry biased). the guardsmen are to be converted to resemble the british 'black watch' scots regiment, as seen in the 1980's... so a mix of modern infantry gear, but with kilts, berets, and a clan culture that the spacewovles would really connect with as fellow warriors. it'd result in the 2 element of the army fitting together well with shared celtic/norse elements and in my minds eye it looks awesome. so my prerequisits are marines with a subdued colour scheme (grey/matt green), a celtic/norse tendancy, clan orangisation, and a kind of warriors respect for other warriors of a similar outlook (even if they are only puny humans)... all this screams of sons of russ! but i'd prefer to create something from scratch and as such was looking for a successor chapter to make my own. sadly that's all fallen at the first hurdle. i may yet swallow my pride and use someone elses creation (the SW's), because they certainly appeal. :down: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1710369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.germaine Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's an idea with a lot of flavor, something I find very appealing. The only problem is that you can't do it in a single FOC any more. I had an idea very similar to this and was planning to use the Lost and the Damned codex to pull it off as a single list. Using Chaos marines as Space Marines and Traitor guardsmen as IG allowed you to do something like this without the bells and whistles of the two Imperial codices; simply avoid all of the obvious chaos/mutant choices. Nice and flavorful. However, now that GW appears to have abandoned this codex, this will only be an option if you can get your local group to OK the use of this probably defunct codex. (Apparently it's no longer in use at GW tourneys but they haven't officially stated that this codex is dead.) I'm personally very interested in what you do with the Black Watch IG. I've got Praetorians that I've thought about doing the same with the BW's black formal uniforms but I haven't figured out the kilt situation yet. As this topic is not board approved, you'll have to let me know where lese you might be posting pics of these boys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147340-space-wolf-successor-chapters-and-their-colour-schemes/#findComment-1710962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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