Wolf89 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 ... the way I am reading it, it says True Grit is OPTIONAL. I'm sorry but I don't agree. It's a army rule. Those don't seem to be optional. You have to use this rule. It defines our army. Yeah but TG says you dont get the extra attack for having a 2nd CC weapon when charging, you only get the +1 for charging, so he is right Nope. True grit does not give the +1 for charging It does give you +1 for being able to use bolter as a bolt pistol, because the user can use it to fire while being engaged in close combat (and ONLY then). You can't use it for charging because the bolter is to unwieldy to fire it while charging into combat. Codex Space Wolves p. 4, special rules: " ... a model using their bolter in this (TG) manner may not receive the attack bonus for charging as a bolter is too unwieldy to be fired with one hand while simultanously hurling yourself at the enemy". So it gives +1 as CCW in CC only. Not while charging. And it is not optional. But who cares? This is nit-picking. Grey Hunters with TG armed with bolter get 2 attacks while engaged in combat ('charging'), and two attacks while counter attacking. Combi-bolters don't get TG ( as far as I know) so a WG has 2 attacks (base) and Ragnar gives +2 means 4 attacks while charging or in counter attack. Altough this is not strictly RAW as said before. If Ragnar is not there WG with combi weapons would get 2 attacks base plus + 1 attack while counter attacking. I think ... God people are making this so much more difficult than it is. First, combi-bolters do get TG (look in your codex at the TG special rules and it's in there (unless you have an older version of the codex, in which case I'd suggest getting the updated version)). This is helpful for those times when you have terminators with combies or something and you get that extra attack in combat. ;) Second, lars is completely correct on the "ragnar's rule" because the word "may" is in the TG sentence. This way his unit he's with can count their bolters as... ready for this? BOLTERS! in combat and not bolt pistols so they receive an extra attack from "ragnar's rule". If it's just a normal counter, then for sure it doesn't matter much because either way it's +1 attack. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Huh? (Grips recently bought shiny new second printing Space Wolf codex) Yada yada yada yada AHAH!!!! "... they may counter their bolter (including combi-weapons, but not storm bolters) as bolt pistols in close combat ..." And the word 'may' is in the TG sentence indeed. ;) ... Its not me who makes this complicated! It's my old and sagging brain !!! Need ale.. Thank you Wolf 89. I'm off now. Looking for Russ in the eye o'Terrrror. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 No problem Barek, I've been known to make a LOT of mistakes and I'm glad to be quickly corrected so I don't go making a fool of myself in a setting where people know me personally! :) Russ isn't in the eye of terror, he's in my basement Cryogenically Frozen next to Walt Disney. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barek Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Quote Wolf89: "Russ isn't in the eye of terror, he's in my basement..." Ahah! Russ has been found! The eye of terror has been located! The Wolftime has come! At arms brothers! :P (And thank you brother!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 He beat me to it. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Heh... not if your drop pod gets there first :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/147413-true-grit-and-counter-attack/page/2/#findComment-1711700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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