Starting Radicals...

[Lucario]

... and have some questions,

 

1. which range of strom troopers would be easyer to make more chaotic, the Karskin or the classic stormies?

 

2. Would your average gamer object to me modeling inducted marines, as allied Chaos Space Marines?

 

3. Would inducted marines benifit from the new codex, ie. combat squads etc.

[Peredyne]

... and have some questions,

 

1. which range of strom troopers would be easyer to make more chaotic, the Karskin or the classic stormies?

 

2. Would your average gamer object to me modeling inducted marines, as allied Chaos Space Marines?

 

3. Would inducted marines benifit from the new codex, ie. combat squads etc.

 

1) Neither in all honesty. The poses are too static and tucked (arms and head tucked close to torso). I would go with forgeworld IG chaos renegade kits and modify the standard lasguns.

 

2) Gamewise, I doubt anyone would care except the fluff nazis. Fluffwise no inquisitor, radical or not, would ally with the forces of chaos so blatantly. Daemonhosts being the only limited exception.

 

3) Yes, marines selected from the new codex would benefit from the rules in the new codex, but only the rules that apply to the units available to the inquisitional forces in question.

[Lucario]

I know what you mean, but in this case, the Inquisitor in question is a member of the cult of the Hydra, hence, why I want "Alpha Legion" allies, I was going to use IA:6 by my gameing group dosen't allow Forge World rules

[Melissia]

So basicly, your Inquisitor is also a heretic himself? Heh.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Lucario Posted Today, 02:17 PM

2. Would your average gamer object to me modeling inducted marines, as allied Chaos Space Marines?

 

You can use Codex: SM marines in a Radical army. This is precisely what the Relictors were dreamt up for. ;)

[white radish]

Didn't Eisenhorn encounter Chaos Space Marines of the Emperor's Children while pursuing a significant heretical force that included Radical Inquisitors?

 

Eisenhorn might have dispatched the Radicals as Heretics... and those Radicals (I will not name them to avoid Spoilers) were admittedly quite extreme. I'd say that a truly Radical Inquisitor would definitely consider using Traitor Astartes, however.

 

Why stop at Daemonhosts? Why not use Daemon weapons & pursue truly forbidden knowledge? Why not employ what we call "Chaos Marines" in the service of humanity? I think it's a great idea. (I found Eisenhorn's ultimate hypocrisy with regards to Puritanism/Radicalism to be truly a great part of the Eisenhorn novels)

[Peredyne]

Didn't Eisenhorn encounter Chaos Space Marines of the Emperor's Children while pursuing a significant heretical force that included Radical Inquisitors?

 

Eisenhorn might have dispatched the Radicals as Heretics... and those Radicals (I will not name them to avoid Spoilers) were admittedly quite extreme. I'd say that a truly Radical Inquisitor would definitely consider using Traitor Astartes, however.

 

Why stop at Daemonhosts? Why not use Daemon weapons & pursue truly forbidden knowledge? Why not employ what we call "Chaos Marines" in the service of humanity? I think it's a great idea. (I found Eisenhorn's ultimate hypocrisy with regards to Puritanism/Radicalism to be truly a great part of the Eisenhorn novels)

 

You're referring to the events in Xenos. The heretic force in question did not have any inquisitors in it's midst. There was a radical inquisitor (Konrad Molitor) who tried to get the necroteuch away from big E at the end, but he was not a member of that particular heresy.

[Red Lost Soldier]

1) As has been stated, converting such rigid metal models like Kasrkin or Stormtroopers would be quite tricky. I'd beef up some of the plastic Cadians and make them Chaotic. Forge world does a very nice line of Chaos militia, pricey though.

 

2) Are you simply using Chaos Marines models to count as Space Marines? That would be fine, simply inform your opponent what they actually count as from SM codex. They do share a good deal of wargear.

Using Chaos Space Marines rules would be illegal in a tournament, and most gaming groups probably wouldn't let you do it.

 

3)Allied Marines will benefit from the new codex, to an extent. If you take a parent SM list, then you can take anything and ally in your Inquisitor and Co. If you are taking a DH parent list, then you can only have the right named items, so no Ironclad Dreads or Vanguard Vets.

[Acerbus]

i was gonna do this precise thing, for my stormtroopers, i converted vostroyans, and for my grey knights i'm using converted chaos/normal marines for my grey knights/ inducted marines. although i was going to make this a completely renegade force, with my inquisitor learning some dark secret to explain the appearance of traitor marines. radicals may be radicals, but they seem to still try to serve the emperor, so i doubt that they would use chaos marines as allies.

[Skytear]

Ola,

 

Radicals surf a thin, nano-thin line between being hunted down by their own or being corrupted by that Chaos

they seek to understand and turn upon itself.

If you read the story of Quixos in the DH Codex, you'll get a really good impression on how wrong (in the Eyes of Eisenhorn and his homies)

or right (Quixos and his friends) a Radical can go.

Especially the last paragraph is interesting. Even if Quixos was a bad *ss psyker using Chaos against Chaos, some say

he did a literally damned good job, while others say: play with the fire and get burned (if you're lucky by us, if not, by Chaos).

 

BUT...this is about your questions, so there ya go:

 

 

1. which range of storm troopers would be easier to make more chaotic, the Karskin or the classic stormies?

I'd say the classic stormies, but I don't have much experience with converting either of them.

I always use unmodified Kasrkin and think they look great.

They cost 10 Points per Model and I'm not sure how much time you want to put into converting 10pts Troops

that die just as easy.

Maybe a fancy paint-scheme might do the job? If not, plastic would be the way to go.

 

 

2. Would your average gamer object to me modeling inducted marines, as allied Chaos Space Marines?

If the average gamer would be me, I wouldn't. As an above poster said however, I find it unfluffy.

I'd use Relictors, they fit perfectly.

I think if you can argue it with the Codex, it's fine.

 

 

3. Would inducted marines benefit from the new codex, ie. combat squads etc.

 

Since you will look up the rules for them in the new codex, sure.

I'm not sure how the variant-exception in the DH:Codex ties in with the new SM Codex however.

But as far as I'm concerned, I you can field Sternguards or Venerable Dreads.

I checked in my Codex SM and they're all listed under Elite and Fast Attack.

Maybe I'm wrong: If so, I'd like to be clarified on the matter, that'd be cool.

 

That being said: Does the end justify the means? If that is so, then why say No! to Radicals? :D

[Grand Master Tyrak]

When talking about Quixos, why not get your hands on the Eisenhorn series? Its really good for charting a Puritan's slow descent into Radicalism.

[Commissar Molotov]

radicals may be radicals, but they seem to still try to serve the emperor, so i doubt that they would use chaos marines as allies.

 

Unless doing so somehow benefited the Emperor. I could totally see an especially dedicated Inquisitor taking the stance of "This'll damn my eternal soul, but save the entire Galaxy!"

[march10k]

This'll damn my eternal soul

...or, he could trust that the emperor will know his own, do the deed, and take his own life afterwards before his brothers get their hands on him.

[boreas]

My choices for your ISTs would be either the classic stortroopers line. Those crazy eyelense are more "chaotic" than the neater Kasrkin. Some greenstuff to make pus/tentacle/boils here and there combined with a "chaosy" paint scheme et voilà.

 

But some cadians combined with WHFB flagellants would make a very cool force. And for cheap also, as a box of each will give you plenty of bit to build 35-40 models (if you use the box of 20 cadians and the box of 20 flagellants). If ordering from the warstore, you can buy a few meltaguns/plasmagun as bits and get a good assortment. Of course, that doesn't reflect the "eliteness" of IST as much (more like WH zealots, really), but still very unique.

 

Now add inducted SMs (using rules from the new codex is not only ok, but a must, as the old codex is, well, the old codex!) using CSM models, some daemonhosts (using the daemonhost models if you like them or the Chaos Spawn if, like me, you don't) and you have a very radical force!

 

Phil

[Commissar Molotov]

...or, he could trust that the emperor will know his own, do the deed, and take his own life afterwards before his brothers get their hands on him.

 

Either/or. :) I was just trying to show that a 'loyal' Inquisitor could potentially team up with Chaos Marines.

[march10k]

Oh, I quite agree. Chaos spends as much time fighting other chaos as it does fighting the imperium, orks, tau, elves, etc. No reason an inquisitor couldn't play one faction off against another. I'm just saying that when his buddies find out who he's been working with, he's through. The suspicion of chaos taint can't really be disproven, and what use is an inquisitor who can't be trusted? At best, he's looking to become a servitor. Much better to just open a major artery before it comes to that!