Land Raider Prometheous Sponsons

[Vassakov]

Right, here's my question - A LR Prometheous has two Sponsons, each with 2 Twin Linked Heavy Bolters. The question is the two heavy bolters seperate weapons for the purposes of firing and Weapon Destroyed results? I know of no other vehicle with this set up (eg two guns on one fire point) - the Crusaders Hurricane Bolters are defined as one weapon.

 

Anyone got any ideas?

[Mycroft Holmes]

The new Prometheous uses a new flamer type on the sponsons (hence the name.) They're independant weapons.

[nighthawks]

that's the Redeemer.

 

prometheus is a FW option, and if the bolters count as seperate weapons for firing, then they count as seperate for destruction, too. don't have the correct IA in front of me.

[Masked Thespian]

The new Prometheous uses a new flamer type on the sponsons (hence the name.) They're independant weapons.

 

*sigh* No... that's the Land Raider Redeemer, not the Land Raider Prometheus.

 

As to the OP, I'm fairly sure that they each count as a separate weapons system (so you have four to destroy in total) as, despite the mounting of the model, the rules say nothing about them being co-axial or any similar wording.

[garreth]

Two TL heavy bolters - it's one sponson (one weapon system), so when weapon destroyed result is scored, you must disable whole sponson.

[nurglespuss]

Yep I agree, they fire together, they get blown up together. A predator with twin linked las turret loses both on a weapon destroyed, so why not a sponson?

[Lord Marius]

I think the point was that they are two twin-linked weapons.

Clearly, if a normal TL weapon is destroyed, we all know that both 'halves' are destroyed, as it is effectively one weapon with a special rule.

 

If you have two hull mounted weapons, they don't both get wrecked when one weapon destroyed result is rolled, so I don't see why it should be the case with two sponson mounted weapons. Unless anyone knows of a rule that says so?

[nurglespuss]

Ahh.. I now see the line of thought.

 

I would have to agree that a 'weapon destroyed' result would remove 1 set of twin0linked heavy bolters, leaving one still in the sponson.

[Tfcdogbert]

How does this work with the crusader? I believe one weapon destroyed result removes one "Hurricane" sponson, of 3 twin linked bolters and the same should apply to the Prometheus/

[nighthawks]

the hurricane bolter is a defined weapon, and consists of 6 bolters acting as 3 twin linked weapons. it is one weapon in terms of firing, destroying, etc...

 

the Prometheus has 4 TLHBs, defined as a single weapon type, as 2 weapons per sponson. they are fired & destroyed piecemeal. see P8 of the 2006 Imperial Armour Update.

[Praeger]

The difrence is rather simple.

 

Ignore where the weapons are loctaed.

 

Normal Land Raider:

 

1x twin-linked lascannon

1x twin-linked lascannon

1x twin-linked H-Bolter

 

Crusader:

 

1x twin-linked assault cannon

1x twin-linked hurricane bolter

1x twin-linked hurricane bolter

1x meltagun

 

Prometheus:

1x twin-linked H-Bolter

1x twin-linked H-Bolter

1x twin-linked H-Bolter

1x twin-linked H-Bolter

and some other weapon that i cant remeber right now ;)

 

In each cae when it comes to weapon destroyed you simply cross one of these weapons off the list and keep playing with what is left.

[AlexCrute]

Take into consideration the ruling on dreadnought arms. Stormbolter goes with the DCCW if destroyed, so perhaps consider a houserule if RAW is unclear.

 

Question is; does DREADNOUGHT ARM = TANK SPONSON?

 

Seems like something you'll always need to clear with your opponent before every game - because it also affects how many weapons can fire after moving, which any opponent will be sure to consider.

 

I favour the ARM = SPONSON interpretation, as otherwise I think the tank is borderline useless.

 

Which is a pity, cos its the best-looking landraider around. :)