Bran Scalphunter Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 From what it sounds like maybe Lars should rename the thread "Modular 750pt Space Wolf Armies" since that's what it ended up being. Just throwing it out there... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Drop Pod Plasma List of Doom: Wolf Guard Battle Leader -Combi-Plasma, Frost Weapon, WP, Runic Charm, Frags Total: 104 Wolf Guard Bodyguard (5) -Combi-Plasma x5, CCW x4, Power Fist, Frags Total: 199 Grey Hunters (7) -Power Fist, Frags, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol x2 Total: 171 Grey Hunters (7) -Power Fist, Frags, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol x2 Total: 171 Drop Pods x3 Total: 105 Total: 750pts Ok this was a cheesy idea I came up with while listening to bad poetry tonight, basically this is a list for those irritating opponents who like their armor and their toughness like Nidzilla or something like that. 3 Drop Pods so you'll have 2 arriving on Turn 1 and while its only 20 Marines, you've got 2 Plasma Guns, 4 Plasma Pistols and 6 Combi Plasmas. If you bring in one GH Pack and the WG Pack on Turn 1 thats 12 Plasma shots from the WG and 4 from the Grey Hunters with a couple Power Fists and the Frost Blade in there for cleanup. A one trick pony if ever there was one but it could be quite devastating though the WG will be fairly hampered after they've used up their combi weapon shots the opening salvo should be suitably nasty however. Not sure how effective it may be though but I bet it would be amusing to try. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Oh ouch....I want to see that list pump hot plasma into Wolf's termie squad and see him make 12 5+ invuln saves. You know, if you combined all these lists together, we would have like a crazy hard hitting, completely balanced mix of drop pods, mech and footsloggers that I think we could crush with in apoc. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 On the rapid fire your plasma list would end up (averages mind you) killing 1 marine, but you never know which one... muahahaha! I'll take my chances against this list... :RTBBB: Even with all that plasma it'll still need 6's to GLANCE my 3 vindis of doom (on the front, which I'll be sure to not make side or back armor easy for you with my abundance of rhino and razorback cover ;)) ! Assuming you put in the WGBG and a GH squad (instead of both GH squads, this is to maximize your firepower first turn) You'll have 16 shots (2 at BS5) with 11 shots hitting, 1-2 shots glancing, then a cover save for my vindis which might negate the whole thing, but lets say I fail one (average). This means two perfectly fine vindis still to fire on your 2 lonesome squads, not to mention my HQ, razorback, rhino, 2 GH squads that are angry now. ;) I still think my list is the most competitive... maybe I just have wishful thinking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I'd take the list on, since I assume only 1 pod would come down on Turn 1, giving me a chance to blast it with my missile launchers and plasma weapons. I think I could stand a chance of winning against Vash there if the Dice Gods favored me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I actually meant your termie list. But if you were anywhere close I'd take you up on that challenge. Better make those vindis count, because turn 2 you would have CC love from a pair of dreads and 2 melta guns taking them down, and this would be after I fried your infantry units to dust;) mwah hahaha! Seriously though, I'd love to have a little tourney with people bringing in their lists to see how all of these fare. Looks to me like it would be scrappy and fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 It may be the most nasty for average 750 point games just cause of the Armor that few people can deal with. However as for plasma shots on front armor, as if. The whole point of Drop Pods is to land where they're most effective and if I have to I'll land right next to your Vindicators and I just dare you to shoot and scatter onto your own units! Mwahahahahaha! Suicidal but hey, we are drunken Space Vikings after all... :RTBBB:. Ironically I have seen several IG Leman Russ' blow each other up trying to hit assault marines that got in amongst them, silly ordanance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 Plasma? Pfft... thats what our special meat shield.. er... Storm Shield wolf guards are for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1724495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearboy Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 You can all just bow out now.. I found a way to put 4 AC's in a single drop pod. Hail to the King baby... :tu: WGBL - FB/AC - TDA, RC, WP WGBG1 - AC/PW - TDA, RC, WP WGBG2 - AC/PW - TDA, RC, WP WGBG3 - AC/PF - TDA, RC, WP WGBG4 - Combi-Bolter/SS - RC WGBG5 - BP/SS - RC WGBG6 - BP/SS - RC WGBG7 - BP/SS - RC Drop Pod GH (6) - All Bolter BC (8) - 1PF 750pts even. Simple theory really, the troops run as fast as they can to wherever you land the pod to back you up, while your terminators unleash 4 ACs (!!!!) into your enemy turn after turn. If they shoot back, you have your Wolf Guards to shield them (really, PA with BP/SS.. what else are they there for?). In CC, the 4 terminators should handle themselves well. RC's mean you can re-take the Inv saves on the WG. This is as cheesey as I can get, and its all thanks to Capacity 12 Pods. *bows* Edit: Removed PW/PF from GH and WP from meat shield, added 2 BC. Thanks OID. 2 things i need to know: 1. In my bro's codex it says that all or none of the army arrives in drop pods. Unless this has changed since then I beleive your list is invalid. 2. With your WGBL what does FB mean? I can't figure it out. I'm not use to this abbreviating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1726321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsekov Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Yes, I was under the impression that Terminators could not teleport, or could only teleport when the entire army drop podded onto the table. And in the new SM codex terminators cannot take drop pods, only land raiders. Unless I'm missing something in the codex. FB= Frost blade. Also along those lines (apologies if this really is a dumb question), what does "TDA" stand for? terminator armour maybe? I can't figure that one out, I've been scratching my head over that for a couple months. Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1726347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 In the new FAQ we can use pods as we are in these lists. Yes FB = Frost blade and yes TDA = Terminator armour (Tactical Dreadnought Armour) I'm drooling looking at that 4ac list. I'd still be tempted to switch them for h.flamers and add aload of combi-flamers for template death however I think I'd prolly toast some of the unit whilst I was at it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1726396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 1. In my bro's codex it says that all or none of the army arrives in drop pods. Unless this has changed since then I beleive your list is invalid. We use the rules for Drop Pods from Codex: Space Marines as a supplementary codex if I recall correctly though I think the FAQ answers that question. 2. With your WGBL what does FB mean? I can't figure it out. I'm not use to this abbreviating. Frost Blade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1726723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Alright- Let's see here, you all stole the good ones, but since we are making it a 750 modular thing I call this one The Wall of Doom! sounds scary hu. HQ 8 unit HQ: - 505 WGBL CML, Frost Blade, SB WG CML, PW SB WG AC, PF WG AC, PF WG Combi-Flamer, SS WG Combi-Flamer, SS WG BG, SS WG BG, SS 6 Unit GH squad -122 5 BP, 1 MG 1 PW 6 Unit GH squad -122 5 BP, 1 MG, 1 PW Tactics: Trick here is to set up the units intermixed in a who 50% who is in front of who method, so no matter what squad is being shot, the other gets a 4+ cover save. If one unit gets assulted use the Counter Charge and then a follow up charge by the other units for quick "death to all who appose us" move. But more than likely all units will be assulted due to the assult rules. Move & Shoot your way toward the objective. If you have to, have the GH squad RUN instead of shooting for 1 turn so the HQ squad can move and shoot twice with cover. Consentrate all fire power onto one Squad/unit move to the next. Vrox over Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1726841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Vrox, I hate to say it but your list is illegal. You've only got 1 Troops in there and you are required to have a second. I'd drop the Dread and throw in a minimum sized pack of Hunters if I were you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1728394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Are we sticking with the ol FOC or are we just putting up good 750pt additions to any force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1728441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 oops must have been drinking to much ale when those battle plans where drawn up, I will just edit it rather than repost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1728547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 As far as I know we're sticking to the FOC- as much as it would be fun to run just 750pts of OBEL'ing Wolf Scouts... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1728598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Cept for that fact that only one of them can OBEL;) Though 2 flanking and 1 OBEL would be fun ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1728600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I am surprised that my tactic's plan did not get challenged. Wondering if anyone has seen this used or used it themselves with sucess or do they think it would get laughed right off the table? Me I am afraid to use its pure cheese wiziness. can you imagine if horde armies tried it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1730524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 They do already... its horrible, and I dont think thats how the rules work personally... but alot of people dont seem to agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1730539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 They do already... its horrible, and I dont think thats how the rules work personally... but alot of people dont seem to agree. Sadly it is how the rules work, I think GW doesn't play-test as much as they thought... what they should be doing is picking up a few people here and there for a weekend a few months before they bring out each new codex and BBB and let them have a go with it and see the cheese they come up with... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1730875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Seems simple don't it. Bring in people and give them the rules, anything that they can't figure out, you edited the wording on the spot, adding in needed detail until it makes sense to them. Do not allow your editors/monitors to explain anything in words rather only allow them to use the edited rules to answer their questions. Send that group away and bring in another group, give them the new rules.... rinse/repeat. Once you have 2 or 3 groups in a row that are able to play the game as intended you bring in the power gamers and give them free models for finding unintended loop hole, every unintended hack they come up with gets a prize. Do this for all army types vs. each other, make sure to cover all possibilities of terrain. They would not even have to pay these people, other than the prizes. GW you have my permission to use this play testing method. : ) Vrox over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1731149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 They wont. Be it arrogance, ignorance, or whatever the reason.. they wont. I think its a mix of both. I will say, in spite of the fact that I dont care for some of the folks it attracts, I do like Privateer Press and how they handle rules (similar to above). But, its wishful thinking. GW had made it very clear they dont give a damn about the players. We are a source of income, and will continue to be, and if we quit, there will be others. I think after producing the fictional universe for so long, a bit of that mentality has seeped in. You have a fairly dedicated fan base. I think with a handful of people on this forum, along with willing volunteers on other forums (or even locally) and a single designer, working via e-mail, we could write, play-test, and generally perfect a balanced SW codex in 6-12 months. I only say that due to the distance, and the need to keep it all secret. They could do it on the cheap, because I know I wouldnt mind working on it for free. Just the opportunity to have a hand in the development would be enough for me (though, a few box sets of the new models would be a plus). It wont ever happen. The sooner we all realize and accept this, we can move on and try to enjoy our game.. :P Reading Field of Glory (historical miniatures rules published by Osprey) has made me look at 40k and WFB in a totally new light. It isnt so much that FoG is an 'advanced' game, it really isnt. Its that GW's games are SOOOO dumbed down, to the point that it becomes too confusing for their target audience. My head hurts.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1731169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I tried playing 2nd ed a couple months ago... The next time I went to play 5th edition went badly. "Moses... why are you getting out a d12" "Im firing my TLLC at your landraider" "Huh?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1731183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I am surprised that my tactic's plan did not get challenged. Wondering if anyone has seen this used or used it themselves with sucess or do they think it would get laughed right off the table? Me I am afraid to use its pure cheese wiziness. can you imagine if horde armies tried it. I wouldn't laugh it off the table I'd pack up and leave. I've seen it argued in many ways and by many people for many reasons and honestly I could care less about the RAW aspects, its not just cheese its downright unsportsmanlike to abuse such a loophole and not something I think the Wolves of Fenris need lower themselves to do. I also would downright refuse to play anyone who did it. Rules loophole or no its a downright disgusting thing for a player to try and pull. By RAW yes the "trick" is legal but like I said its such an extreme abuse of the rules for such an outrageous advantage I personally refuse to have anything to do with it. Maybe that sounds childish but I find anyone who has to resort to such unsportsmanlike conduct to win is childish in the extreme. I've walked out of two tournaments/events so far where such conduct was allowed along with everyone who came with me. The first rule of the game is to have fun and I think such conduct undermines the gaming experience to an unacceptable degree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148494-750-modular-wolf-lists/page/2/#findComment-1731479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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