Master Jarad Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hay techy guy, I was wondering if you could help be help or brainstorming depending on my question the question is during The "Dark" Age of Technology and up till the Age of Strife when humanity was at its panicle of technological advancement what was the technology like? was it better then the tua? did humans have "30 inch" range rifles? I know at some point in time we had killer robots (till the up and tried to enslave humanity) and we had STC but I'm looking for a more clearer picture all help would be helpful :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamJacksUserName Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 If I recall correctly many of the current tanks and armor and such was original used as farm and industrial equipment. I believe the Leman Russ STC was originally a tractor and Terminator armor was used to protect people when they had to go in to repair reactors. So if they strapped guns to those and they are dangerous imagine what actual weapons from that era might be capable of doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1724916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jarad Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 cool i never knew the russ was a tractor, so did the imperium ever find a STC with weapons specs.? I find it alittle hard to believe that the IG lasgun would be anything more then a hunting rifle for farms. :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1726855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus6 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think the IG Lasgun was nothing more than a colonization weapon. Simple to use, maintain, and repair and all you had to do was make certain the batteries were full. No muss, no fuss, no issues. Severus6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1726894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamJacksUserName Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Well the conversion beamer as seen in the new marine codex was a pre-heresy artifact so one could argue that it might be from the golden age of technology. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1726921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Well the STC's did come up with the Rhino as a good go-anywhere apc/asault tank. With bolters on the top. As for terminator armour - i dont actually thing thats an STC product, I seem to remember it was derived from the suits that workers used to go into reactors (similar to squat exo-armour). So its more like the predator annihalator (developed by SW's, rather than recovered from an STC). STC's for weapons have been found (there's a mention of an STC to produce a better combat knife in one of the early Gaunts Ghosts books) but not very often. The recon team who found the knive STC were each given a planet I believe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divergent Reality Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 The recon team who found the knive STC were each given a planet I believe... i would believe that. actual STCs are worth quite a bit in the world of 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Just had a thought - could the reason that terminator armour (and power armour) is so rare adn hard to make be because its not an STC? Becasue it was developed, rather than a design already found, so actually making one is something that has to be learnt individually by watching someone else make some? (kinda like hand made stuff now in R/L) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian_k3 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Just had a thought - could the reason that terminator armour (and power armour) is so rare adn hard to make be because its not an STC? Becasue it was developed, rather than a design already found, so actually making one is something that has to be learnt individually by watching someone else make some? (kinda like hand made stuff now in R/L) no it is an STC, STC stuff is stuff that was developed during the golden age and recorded so it could be mass produced, armour is only slow to mnufacture cos the admech and chpter artificers hand craft them and go all 'god-machine' and re.lig.ius on it. -Obsidian P.S. that recon team actually found a type of steel that was then used to make blades Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sati Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Quick question on the STCness of power armour: in the Dark Age of Technology there was no Emperor, before the Emperor there were no primarchs, before the primarchs there were no marines...so, after all how could marine power armour be an STC design? a., I've missed something in the fluff. b., space marine power armour was rather developed (based on techno barbarian stuff), than rediscovered. Possibly on the pathetic ruins of STC technology that was still available in the dawn of the Age of Strife, utilizeing newly recovered STCs (see the example of a new alloy cited above, or "plasma forgeing" mentioned in connection with mk4 PA), but still developed, not recovered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I thought that stuff about tanks originally being farm equipment was a joke? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Quick question on the STCness of power armour: in the Dark Age of Technology there was no Emperor, before the Emperor there were no primarchs, before the primarchs there were no marines...so, after all how could marine power armour be an STC design? a., I've missed something in the fluff. b., space marine power armour was rather developed (based on techno barbarian stuff), than rediscovered. Possibly on the pathetic ruins of STC technology that was still available in the dawn of the Age of Strife, utilizeing newly recovered STCs (see the example of a new alloy cited above, or "plasma forgeing" mentioned in connection with mk4 PA), but still developed, not recovered. I would have to agree that PA isnt STC. If you look at the progression about powerarmor, it really has changed just through the HH era, with several new specs being developed from the beginning of the Heresy through the end (mk III-V i think?). It really seems that this is something that the mechanicus has been able to develop themselves, especially considering the flaws that were inherent in the early PA systems, with all of the exposed wiring and such. Most things that are discovered with STC's are leaps and bounds more advanced than anything the mechanicus can make (think robotic soldiers!) and PA just smacks of something that's taken 10,000 years to work out the kinks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1727804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jarad Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 although the present SM power armours may very well have been developed by the emperor, there sure to have been power armour developed for the nations of humanity pre-age of strife. also when looking at the Horus Heresy art work the dreadnought have not seemed to have changed much over the 10,000 years of imperial development. this leads me to think that these suits were types of armour were first created in the age of technology (probably after or in response of the robotic revolution). do you think that the SM battle barges were sourly designed by the emperor or made pre-imperium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1728017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 obsidian_k3 Posted Today, 01:38 PM P.S. that recon team actually found a type of steel that was then used to make blades Do you mean the C'tan Phase Sword that Callidus Assassins use? That was nicked from the Necrons. Master Jarad Posted Today, 06:07 PM do you think that the SM battle barges were sourly designed by the emperor or made pre-imperium? I think most ships are definitely pre-heresy at least, it takes so long to build a new one from scratch that GW can't have them being constantly destroyed. Heavuly damaged, yes, but it takes much less time to repair a ship than it does to build a new one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1728050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyriel Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 In gaunts books we see an corrupt STC factory that could be making human cersions of necrons and it was considered just as grave a threat. In the grey knight books we also see a titan made from pure age of wonder STC tech. It was godlike compared to the current crude titans. Human tech back then rivaled that if the eldar and would leave Tau far far behind. Imagine what perils tau will face one time when their tech also advances and they will fall to the things humans fell for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1728165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
13skullz Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Actually, it was the STC, corrupted by a daemon and the (dam=][=able) dorces of the Warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1730036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz_navy Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 obsidian_k3 Posted Today, 01:38 PM P.S. that recon team actually found a type of steel that was then used to make blades Do you mean the C'tan Phase Sword that Callidus Assassins use? That was nicked from the Necrons. Actually it was a STC for a better combat knife/blade that is now currently standard issue to several space marine chapters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1730234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sati Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I thought that stuff about tanks originally being farm equipment was a joke? In WW1 both the Germans (A7V) and the French (St. Chamod) used tracked tractor chasses as the base of their tanks, later on German tanks were dubbed tractors (actually to conceal the true aim of the developments, so this is rather a curiosity than an example), later in WW2 the Germans have shown the world that anything tracked -artillery tractors mostly- can be turned into something 'tankish' by adding a gun and some plates. Anyway, this would justify GW's stubborn resistance to make AFV's that actually do have something like a suspension. In the summer I've seen quite a few tracked machines (excavators, dozers etc.) none had a springed suspension...and I haven't seen any of them moveing faster than 20kph. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1730547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 buzz_navy Posted Today, 01:30 AM Actually it was a STC for a better combat knife/blade that is now currently standard issue to several space marine chapters My mistake. I'll keep Inquisitorial secrets to myself from now on. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1730625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 PA is dark age of technology. The luna wolves encounter the technocracy (false gods). They have the brotherhood who have PAish armour but they say its a STC obviously destroyed by them to stop Horus getting it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1731179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 PAish... Not quite the same. Thunder armour is PAish, and was dark age tech, it was developed further by the Emperor and the mechanicus into what we now call power armour. IIRC the technocracy stuff was more like thunder armour with more solid sections, but still significantly inferior to PA at the time. All the fluff about the development of different armour marks, and not a single bit mentions finding a new PA STC scheme (apart from anything, if one was found and existed, there would likely be no way to improve on it, so only 1 mark would exist). there are mentions of new ways of creating the metals, fibre-muscles and neurotech, but the PA project seems to be a wholely new synthesis of various different techs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1731216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Fossil Penguin Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hi, Guys, (Deep Breath, first post) On pg 11 of the Black Templar's codex, there is a box-out on the lower left that talks about the developoment of PA. It says, "Space Marine power armour is the synthesis of several long-forgotten technologies that may pre-date even the Age of Strife. At the commencement of the Great Crusade, all the lore that could be found was gathered and relearned to shape the armour of the Space Marines. Even so, it was not until the end of the Horus Heresy that the task was finished. The armour known as the MkVII (or Aquilla) was the result, and remains the most familiar type in use. Where older suits survive, they are venerated by the Chapter's Techmarines, diligently preserved and often embellished with elaborate scriptwork and engravings. So precious is his armour that each Space Marine swears solemn oaths to maintain it and thus honour its spirit of battle." Seemingly it isn't STC, rather the result of a determined trawl of archeotech. I think the fact that it it being re-evaluated and re-designed makes it non-STC. As has been posted, STC would be close to perfection when compared to anything contemporary and so wouldn't be tampered with at all. GFP p.s. hope I haven't broken any rules with the quote or anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1736834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Of the regularly-used Imperial tanks, I'm pretty sure that only the Land Raider was originally intended to be a fighting vehicle. Things like the Rhino and the Leman Russ were originally designed as civilian vehicles and adapted to war by the Imperium during the Great Crusade. I don't know what the more recent fluff says, but I remember that the original Chimera fluff said that it was a Basilisk adapted into a troop carrier, rather the opposite of what you might expect. So it's possible that the Basilisk STC was indeed intended to be mobile artillary from the get-go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1738425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I think I might be trying to make a civilian Russ now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148537-technological-progression/#findComment-1743469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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