BombedComa Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Hey all, I just was wondering which of the HH books best explained theimage of a Primarch? I mean how in the other books in the series failed to really capture that sense of 'awe' when describing a Primarch. It was about 18 months ago now but I can remember reading Flight of the Einstein (FotE)and reading the description of Dorn and thinking to myself, wow, this guy commands resepctand just oozes power. Though from what I can remember Ferrus Manus was also described in vivid detail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord arkon Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'd suggest the first three: Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in flames since as they are focused on Horus and he's the Warmaster an all theres a lot of focus on him so theres a lot of good detail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1729709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 If you don't disagree with the desription, I'd say fulgrim did a fairly good job of describing him, didn't make me think "wow" though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1729715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Every book in the series has a Primarch where you get that 'wow' feeling off of a Primarch(bar BftA, which has no Primarchs) . Even Bronzi in legion almost wets himself when Alpharius lets him see his face. The best ones though are the ones focusing around the Luna Wolves, but I can't wait for one with Russ in it, He'll be the best damn Primarch of the lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1729952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I think the best described Primarchs thus far have been Horus (duh), Sanguinius (though even then he's not been done justice), Dorn (gave me the damn chills), and Angron (terrible in the extreme, horrifying even). Fulgrim, Ferrus, Mortarion, and the Lion were meh. Although I did like how DoA analogized the beasts as the Lion. Alpharius is sort of like a 'lesser' Primarch in sheer stature so you don't get that sort of awe but his actions and preternatural intelligence speak loudly. We've seen Corax, but with little detail. I don't think we've seen Magnus fully yet, unless it was during that dream. Nor Roboute, but Big Blue can wait. Konrad Curze is similarly absent, IIRC. We saw Vulkan briefly, right? Have we seen Lorgar or Perturabo? Haven't seen Khan or Russ either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1729967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Imperialis_Dominatus Posted Today, 10:04 PM We saw Vulkan briefly, right? Yup, and he's not going to be showing up again unless they do a post-Battle of Terra ending to the Heresy. Basically Sallies showed up at Istvaan V and got massacred. Thats their part in the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1729996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Basically Sallies showed up at Istvaan V and got massacred. Thats their part in the Heresy. Shame really, they're a cool army, but yeah, we saw vulkan for a while, they talked about his gun right? I think that was his description, some info on his gun (or was that one of the others?). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1730031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deus lo volt Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I liked the depictions of Sanguinus and Dorn the best so far. They were just cameos but were both very well written IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1730269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Much as I'm not big on Dorn, his description (especially when he got pissed!) was awesome. If they could do that with all of them I'd be really pleased. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1730601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombedComa Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 Yes I have to agree with that. It just reminded me of how I thought this guy is going to lop off their 'lying' heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1730949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noblesavage Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Horus gets the best description in the first HH book, and maybe the second, too. Human, but superhuman at the same time. After those two, every author just starts using the same cliches to describe the primarchs' "musical voices" and "heroic presence" until every primarch sounds the same. Unfortunately, after he falls, Horus (because the author simply wasn't skilled enough to portray him properly) becomes just another mustache-twirling chaos villian: yell a lot, be in a bad mood all the time, kill your underlings often. Descent of Angels did particularly crappy job of portraying a primarch (but the rest of the book was junk, so it figures). I enjoyed Legion, but something about the description of Alpharius was kinda... off. Alpharius twins, or doubles, or clones, or whatever finishing each other's sentences was almost funny, and that's not what was intended, I'm sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1731276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Vespasian Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hey all, I just was wondering which of the HH books best explained theimage of a Primarch? I think that the first 3 books, and in particular Horus Rising; provide the best insight to the true nature of a Primarch. The characterisation of Horus is superb and reveals the multi-faceted aspects of a Primarch's nature. It also shows the sheer physicality and strength that a Primarch possesses, the diversity of weaponry and armour utilised, the way that they are revered by the common man and marine alike, their huge insight and intellect: but also their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. For me Horus is the ultimate expression of what it means to be a Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1731627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I though Descent of Angels did a great job of portraying a Primarch through the eyes of those he leads. Luther was the man! His commentary about the Lion being unable to joke with them because his jokes fly over their heads was quite interesting. I cannot recall a description of any Primarch trying to tell and joke and feeling disturbed because no one else got it. Sure we have Russ who sees a joke in Two Primarchs duking it out, but that is not the same as telling a joke. (Did Horus try telling some jokes? I cannot recall. I believe he bantered with his elite troops though) It was nice to see a description besides "Snickety Snack the Primarch's sword goes, Crash goes the enemy....all 100 of em....at once!". I thought the portrayal of Mortarion was decent, though it was really more telling of the Death Guard as a whole. Same with Fulgrim.(although to be fair all Legions are molded by their Primarchs) I refuse to read Legion. I liked them turning just because it would be a challenge. And this whole "Two Primarchs" nonsense...pfah. Its a Primarch for pity's sake! You don't go around getting them confused with others! Now, I am sure others will disagree and that is fine. We will have to agree to disagree. Angron seemed accurately portrayed. Angry! Bloody! Headstrong! and in terms of Primarchs Dumb as a Post! When Horus is sitting up in his vessel, wanting to blast the Loyalist Emp Children, World Eaters, and Death Guard, and he cannot because Angron just HAD to be down there killing them.....that made me laugh. It seemed appropriate. Dorn....I am not a fair judge of Character. I think they described Dorn in far too glowing terms, same with Sanguinius. That winged mutant, should have been Warmaster? Since when? Oh, since they retconned it. Right. Dang. But again, this is personal opinion shaped primarily by older fluff. Vulkan and Corax needed more screen time, dang it! I am waiting for Curze. Mwahahahaha. Ferrus Mannus- Every time they described him I couldn't help but think of Conan the Barbarian with Silver Hands in the Power/Terminator armor. Every Time. Lorgar-Pfffft. What is there to describe? Lorgar on his knees before Slaanesh throne is probably the most accurate description of this Primarch. Daddy lied to you?....except for that whole I AM NOT A GOD thing he had going from the start. Oh but you NEED to worship something? Hmm wow. Ok. Mangus did not get enough in story description to judge, IMO. Also some contradictions with the big ol Artbooks as well in terms of who cast which spell and who was more keen on the spell duggery, so that was irksome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1732205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Magnus will be back in the battle for prospero Corax may turn up in a book explaining what happens to the Raven Guard and their attempts to speed up the creation of new Marines. Vulkan though will not be back until the argument over the splitting up of the Legions. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1732414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Flase Gods and Glaxy in flames have very good descriptions of Angron - one of the best/most interesting primarchs IMO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1732443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Dan abnett appears to not like writing bout marines too much, look at legion. But his description in the first book was good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1738004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The DOA did a good job at describing a primarch. Most DA players will disagree as it was not a book that showed him in the best light but who knows maybe thats how he was Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1744754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 the first three obviously did the best mainly because they focused a lot on the Warmaster Horus. i was slightly awed by how Alpharius and Omegon operated but not their stature. Sanguinius although briefly described was cool too although i can't even begin to imagine how they'll portray him during the Siege of Terra :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1745269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Sons of Horus Posted Today, 11:35 AM Sanguinius although briefly described was cool too although i can't even begin to imagine how they'll portray him during the Siege of Terra Agreed. The "I have real tears" line on Murder was a nice insight into the humanity of (some of) the Primarchs. As for the Siege of Terra, by then he will not be a happy bunny. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1745405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Evar Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The Lion in DoA was not what I expected. I thought he would be more Knightly, but he was quite sinister. I guess growing up on a chaos world will do that to you. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1754055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Dan abnett appears to not like writing bout marines too much, look at legion. But his description in the first book was good. Cough...splutter....Brothers of the Snake, Horus Rising??!!...cough :lol: Horus Rising, for myself, gives excellent background to Lupercal. Also, unlike some of the other later books, in doesnt tread on too many "fluff" toes either. BCC :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1754408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aggrippa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I liked the depictions of Sanguinus and Dorn the best so far. They were just cameos but were both very well written IMHO. I soo have to aggre hear, athough only breifly mentioned, Dorn left a massive impression, and the entire styling of the sanguinius description gave a very angelic sort of feel, exactly what i immagined. Mortarions description in Flight of the Eisenstein also very nice, he comes accros as a very imposing individual Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1765740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Most Detailed - Horus. The first three books speak volumes on him. Dorn was written very well, and out of the Primarchs so far he is the one who would scare me the most. I like Fulgrim, it was quite tragic. I can't wait to see Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1765978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 For Konrad Kurze, the "Lord of the night" novel. I Hope the HH serie talk about him in detail. Are they planning to focus on every single primarch before ending the serie? I was disapointed with Corax and Vulkan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1826471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 If you want to read about how awesome (and apparently telekinetic) Curze is, see if you can get a copy of 'The Dark King' audiobook or the written version that came with it. It's very, very good. I think the best lines describing a Primarch, the ones that gave me chills, weren't even describing a Primarch. In 'Horus Rising,' Sanguinius' ship translates and a single line, a paragraph on it's own: "The Angel had arrived." Sent chills down my spine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/148943-primarchs/#findComment-1826891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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