kharn_the_betrayer Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I have been looking at the box componets of my apoc box I am using to start an army. While I had highly been considering making an IW army and while I had ordered the Warsmith model (always a fave) I hadn't ordered pads or the upgrade packs. I am also thinking WB. Any suggestions on how to decide the box has the stuff for the IW better and I am thinking WB in a year or so working one squad at a time. Any suggestions I really want to do both, and know that the box has more stuff for the IW (lots of hs choices) and the WB would be more infantry heavy. Anyone's .02? Also note I have a poorly made DA made from an older pa chappie that fits my needs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 IW... they look sooo cool. Yup thats the extend of my opinion.... their cool-ness sells it for me every time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1736815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Word Bearers, 'cos they're red :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1736859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiq Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Yellow hazard stripes beats all. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1736889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I'm just starting IW after collecting Word Bearers. I love the WB for being so fanatic in their worship of chaos, and I like banners and icons ;) They are also the only fractions who remained pretty much unified as a legion and probably the strongest in strength after the BL. Go for IW I say. They are still able to field a fluffy and competative force with this codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1736953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 IW's need not have anymore hvy support then a WB's army WB's not not be any more infantry heavy then IW What I'm saying is that you could have an IW's army that were specialist in breach assault or sabatouge or forward action , all of which IW's would have (read Storm of Iron). Or you could have a WB's army that represented the hvy support division of the WB's Legion (also remember that the make-up of a WB's army is heavily guided by the DA, who's to say your DA does think big guns are the way to go). What I'm saying is don't try to but IW's or WB's in such small boxes, (ie "if I want to use all the hvy weop goodness that came in the apoc box I have to make an IW army" or "if I want an infantry heavy army I have to use WB's and not IW's) Go with which army you like the fluff and paint scheme of better, that's the one that you will enjoy most and that will keep you motivated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1736958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Iron Warriors.... what other legion can have 10 Marines hold out against 130 million people. Where hardcore seige fighters. Also can make cool converted Segie troopers & bionics. Use a lot Iron Hands bits if you wish. Also silver the way to go, just red is a good colour but can get a bit jaded after a while like green if use to much. Just my though, Iron Warriors all the way. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Iron Warriors.... what other legion can have 10 Marines hold out against 130 million people. Depends on who's writing the book. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Iron Warriors.... what other legion can have 10 Marines hold out against 130 million people. Depends on who's writing the book. :D I believe it's from a dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I believe it's from a dex. Well someone still has to write it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I believe it's from a dex. Well someone still has to write it. True... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Perturabo is basically the Tyler Durden of 40k and the IW are his fight club. Seriously, the Iron Warriors are bitter technically gifted sociopaths, making them the underpayed angry IT guys of the future, and I just don't know what's cooler than that. "For the last time sir, you have to double click the... aww ____ it! Where's the bazooka?!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharn_the_betrayer Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ok thanks for the help though I will take whatever you give me. Although I am not trying to shoehorn either army into a stereotypical description, I am trying to go and make something semi-fluffy to the end result that I want. To Make it an IW army I just need shoulder pads and the upgrade kits. I will also need one more box of CSMs but that is to personal taste. I am looking to make a siege line/gun line type army that will hold back and do its thing. I am also adding a nice fat squad of Beserkers to the mix to fit the all too necessary CC element into there (I know csms come with a cc/bp standard but the beserkers are in there for my own reasons). I would be building up the WB slowly around a more infantry based setting and add what I feel the army needs from there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I am looking to make a siege line/gun line type army that will hold back and do its thing. you may get very disapointed with the effciency of a gunline list in the 5th ed . Just a warning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironknuckle Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Word Bearers are fanatical and uses any deamon to add in their troop squad. They are unified as a Legion, but depending on the visions of the Apostle, may be less organized. The Iron Warriors are siege specialist who enjoys bombarding (and getting bombarded) fortresses and cities. Even though they join chaos, they are not motivitated to use daemons (in fact, doesn't trust any legion or deamons except their immence wargear) to fight their battles. Iron Warriors may include sorcerery (which they hate) and use Possessed Squads (although they hate mutation, so they replace limbs with cybernetics). Hmm, too bad CSM can't use Land speeders :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1737937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Khammon Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Iron Warriors may include sorcerery (which they hate) This is new for me. As I read the book Storm Of Iron, it appears that the forgemaster is a Champion/daemon prince of Tzeentch (God of Sorcerery) and that one of the favorites of the Forgemaster is also a Sorcerer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1738096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 The Warsmith from Storm of Iron seems to be a sorceror with the Gift of Chaos power. I guess it's one of the gifts he received on the road to his daemonhood. Common misconception is that the IW abhor everythign chaos. That would be folly since that would mean that of the 9 Traitor legions a third doesn't even accept it. Originally only the Night Lords abhorred chaos worship. Alpha Legions seems to worship chaos in a misanthropic fashion, allowing chaos to grow and selfdestruct. I don't know where this IW being non-chaos comes from actually, most sources indicate they do accept chaos as a patron, they just have a much stronger bond with the mechanical using the ether to make that bond even closer (Oblits anyone?). I always thought the IW were like the Iron Hands of chaos. They also seem to have a very close connection with the Dark Mechanicus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1738143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 The warsmith from Storm of Iron most certainly does not serve Tzeentch, in fact he mostly seems to just serve himself and even resents the fact that he is working at the behest of Abbadon and never shows any signs of piety toward the gods although he obviously consorts and draws power from them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1738694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironknuckle Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Iron Warriors may include sorcerery (which they hate) This is new for me. As I read the book Storm Of Iron, it appears that the forgemaster is a Champion/daemon prince of Tzeentch (God of Sorcerery) and that one of the favorites of the Forgemaster is also a Sorcerer. The Warsmith had a leutenant, Kelhmaur, who is a sorcerer and the one in charge of disrupting and pay attention to any transmition from entering in space (which failed). All the captains, especially Forrix, despise the sorcerer which later reveal that the reason their goal was twarted by the Imperial fist was because of Kelhmaur's failure. The Warsmith took care of him... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1738830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharn_the_betrayer Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Would mixing the two leigons be ok in the short run? I want to make both and until I am able to make two seperate armies, would anyone object to running them together? It would be mainly IW with a squad or two of WB. To get one usable while still in construction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1743628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 it's your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1743631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 yeah can only agree . the thing is with the way the codex looks right now you could have a squad from every chaos legions and counts as the DP as a dark ad mech [and use a troll LotR model for it]. From the fluff point . All chaos sm legions are paranoid and generally dont work well when fighting next to each other , unles A) both forces are huge [thousends of csm on both sides] ^_^ its a Black Crusade , but even then the moments when 2 or more legions fight in the same battle zone [not even talking about same battle line] is rather rare. Then come the special quirks of each legions . the WB are the ulitmate chaos undivided legion , they hunt down own members when they think they have fallen to single god worship etc . For the being a zerker or plague marine is just as heretical as being a loyalist . But as chill said its your army . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1743676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 yeah can only agree . the thing is with the way the codex looks right now you could have a squad from every chaos legions and counts as the DP as a dark ad mech [and use a troll LotR model for it]. From the fluff point . All chaos sm legions are paranoid and generally dont work well when fighting next to each other , unles A) both forces are huge [thousends of csm on both sides] :( its a Black Crusade , but even then the moments when 2 or more legions fight in the same battle zone [not even talking about same battle line] is rather rare. Then come the special quirks of each legions . the WB are the ulitmate chaos undivided legion , they hunt down own members when they think they have fallen to single god worship etc . For the being a zerker or plague marine is just as heretical as being a loyalist . But as chill said its your army . Indeed. Of the cult troops for Word Bearers I think only the Khorne Berserkers could be somewhat justified, and only thanks to losing their random blood lust rules, and that's as the specialized close combat troops taken from the best of the best of the warrior cult in the host. But it's very borderline for me personally, so I'd stay away from it. As both jeske and chillin has said tho, it's your army. Everyone are free to do whatever they want :) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1743795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharn_the_betrayer Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 it's your army. I'm trying to figure out how to justify it fluff wise like the a DA and the Cult of the Anointed just showed up from the warp for their own need and they decide to work together and beat each other down later. It would be just a few units until I can get my WB host up and running. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1744878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I don't think it's too hard to justify it fluff wise, a small IW ship is in a sector of space with no other IW's anywhere near, they want to seige , take or destroy something on a planet, moon or larger ship, but lack the #'s to to it. there is a WB's citadel (or ship, whatever) near and the leaders of the two small forces strike a tempory accord, each for their own reasons. the IW's are suspecious of other chaos armies but they are even more practical and if fighting with the WB's is what they have to do at that time to achieve their objective then that's what they would do. That's just a rough cut off the top of my head, you can fill it out. It's not like you are trying to justify two slanny sorc's leading a WE's army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149512-wb-or-iw/#findComment-1745065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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