Prince Hector Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 How do I around building a Night Lords army? I know I need to fill my fast attack slots with raptors and bikes but what else goes into making one? Any help is appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senseilord Ashahara Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 So long as it fits 'fast, up close and scary' go with what you want, blue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I would go with units that you like & suit your style of play. Some idea for Night Lords would possible - Few Rhinos units - As you said Raptors - HQ on Bike/Wings/Jump Pack Possible some Obliterators or Havocs. Maybe some Termies & possessed. But again it is your army & it what ever you like model & gaming side of things. Have a look that some of the stuff our own Brother Nihm done both armies & model side of things. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Dirge Casters on vehicles. NL are known for their fear tactics. They enjoy to prey on the weak to demoralize the enemy and obliterate the demoralized foe in a devastating assault. Chosen are a good way to represent hidden marines picking off slacking enemy troops. Raptors are a no-brainer. The name "raptor" has it's origin from the Night Lords assault troops prior to the heresy. 2nd edition Chaos Raptors had wings on their helmets for a reason :D Anyway, there seems to be some dissent about these winged helmets. Don't know why, I like them, same thing as horns really. Anyway, you could just use incorporate pre-heresy armour, like the ones shown on the NL artwork in the 3.5 dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Actaully now that our basic marines can't infiltrate anymore i would say you should probably take somme rhinoes for speed. *Raptors and bikes for fast attack, *no cult troops or possessed and only use icon of chaos glory (it's the best icon anyway) *use chosen since they get to infiltrate and that's very Night Lordsy *I'd suggest stying away from daemon princes, I've only ever heard of one from the fluff and the thing that makes night lords special is that they despise chaos and only use it as a weapon and so they're the least likely to achieve daemonhood. the undivided daemon weapon is the second best and the cheapest daemon weapon so giving it to your chaos lord is a good idea. A sorceror with warp time is also a great way to represent the speed with which night lords strike. *Havocs are the most fluffy heavy support choice. I wouldn't recommend Obliterators since the Night Lords never retreated to the Eye of Terror or defilers since they're a bit too daemonic. This type of army may seem restricted but it's actually pretty customizable since all of the main choices have a lot of options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Actually if I remember correctly, there are more named Daemon Princes originating from the Night Lords than any other legion (not counting primarchs). Acerbus and Periclitor are both Night Lords and if I remember correctly Dar'leth of the Black Legion was originally a Night Lord as well. So really I don't see what could possibly be unfluffy about princes, especially as there are few things scarier than a 15 foot tall daemon in a bad mood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Of Chaos Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 night lords (when you could still take them properly) were as follows 1/. No daemons except for furies (whom they enslave) Daemon Princes and Possessed are exceptions to this 2/. No marks of the 4 gods just the undivided one 3/. Bikes and raptors are a big YES 4/. And more raptors Night lords weren't the infiltrators (thats alpha legion) but night lords were the "stealth adepts" (better cover saves) and hit them hard and FAST and scare the bejesus out of them with terror tactics and fearful appearence Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1737877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The last chaos codex was not the end all be all source on Night Lord fluff, and in general I think they are supposed to be hit and run terrorist type fighters (in fact Lord of the Night actually has Sahaal refer to his own tactics as "terrorism"). So actually infiltration is quite fluffy as are small, fast, hard hitting units in general. There is also the psychological warfare thing but that can't really be represented in this version of the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1738923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Actually if I remember correctly, there are more named Daemon Princes originating from the Night Lords than any other legion (not counting primarchs). Might not be anything unfluffy about taking a NL DP, but chaos lord w/ twin LC's and jumppack always sz NL's to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch Naogedd Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm counting down the minutes until Nihm gets here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leethal Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 There's a few DPs in the Night Lords.......after all it is fluffy...well...used to. Daemon Visage with Statue anyone? -2 Leadership oh god, he didn't even need to get into CC, he just scares people into running. Bwahahaha. Smash into something, oh god, -3 or MORE leadership! Oh god! Man....so awesome. Night Lords are by far the best Traitor Legion. It's like an army of Batman, with guns and chainswords and iwhtout hesitation to kill! *Creams pants* Oh dear...I've done it again... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'd advise using the last incarnation of the chaos codex to represent the Night Lords in friendly games if your opponent will allow it. It is next to impossible to create a half way effective list using the current codex if one sticks to the letter of the background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 How do I around building a Night Lords army? I know I need to fill my fast attack slots with raptors and bikes but what else goes into making one? Any help is appreciated.Hey,You don't have to fill out your fast attack slots with Raptors at all, it really depends on what theme you're going for. From the various fluff there's precedent for the following types of lists: -One led by a Daemon Prince (e.g. Periclitor, Krieg Acerbus) -Raptor heavy lists (as our legion was the first to have them) -Mechanized Infantry heavy lists (ref. Idaeus' Last Command) -Although rare, a list with lesser daemons in it. (ref. The Khai-zan Uprising) -A traditional Codex Chaos v3.5 NL List /w a Lord wielding twin lightning claws and a jump pack, 3x chosen squads (to represent the stealth aspect), and either 1-2 squads of bikes or raptors. You can also mix and match from the above. Just remember, the Night Lords are not about fast attack, they are first and foremost about using fear as a weapon. (something that became a lot harder to represent under the newest codex) My 2 kraks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm counting down the minutes until Nihm gets here. How many was it? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'm counting down the minutes until Nihm gets here. How many was it? :D 0, Warptime is an interesting phenomenon! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Be thankful you didn't roll a 2... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1739743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Hector Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Alright guys, I'll take everything you said into consideration, thanks for all the help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1740397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fokke Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 A few notes since I have been playing NL since 2nd ed and miss the rules in WD which came out before the last or next to last codex (they print a new one every month so I lose track). 1. NL seriously hate chaos,. They hate any kind of weak-willed devotion to chaos and thus do not get along well with their brother legions. For this reason, no NL would be caught dead worshipping any part of chaos including the undivided part. Furies when they existed for chaos marines flocked to them as opposed to them getting summoned. They have a few daemon princes but those are individuals and not the chapter as a whole. i would get the undivided icons but not call it that, just say its devotion to what they believe or discipline. 2. Jump packs figure prominantly but they arent a total assault army. They have their heavy forces as well. 3. Being from 2nd edition i do not remember NL models with winged helms. The only figs I know of were those horrible batwinged ones that came out in 3rd or early 4th. Strike like lightning, then fade and disappear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1744089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 3. Being from 2nd edition i do not remember NL models with winged helms. The only figs I know of were those horrible batwinged ones that came out in 3rd or early 4th.Strike like lightning, then fade and disappear. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/e7/Chaos_Raptor_2nd_Edition.jpg Like I said somewhere else, I like them better in their pre-heresy gear, like the artwork in 3.5 ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1744202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fokke Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Thats a 3rd edition generic raptor. Precursor to the much better ones we have now. If i remember right, there were no jump troops for chaos in 2nd ed. From memory, i think you had the 4 cult troops, chaos vets, chaos marines, termies, and demons, plus rhinos, preds and land raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1744368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarulek Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Thats a 3rd edition generic raptor. Precursor to the much better ones we have now. If i remember right, there were no jump troops for chaos in 2nd ed. From memory, i think you had the 4 cult troops, chaos vets, chaos marines, termies, and demons, plus rhinos, preds and land raiders. Ah hell, NL is the first thing that comes to mind if you combine wings with raptors. I gotta run in 10 minutes, so I don't have time to check 3rd ed codex, but I believe you :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1745540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I don't know about second edition since I didn't play back then, but the first 3rd edition chaos codex had a picture of a bat winged helm that was recovered from a Night Lord so that's at least as old as the beginning of third edition. Also, as has already been mentioned, the Night Lords are basically atheist marines and do not worship anything at all, including chaos, furies were simply enslaved and used as pawns, unlike daemons used by other legions that were summoned with supplication. Then again, the most recent codex talks about them ritually arranging bodies to summon daemons etc so maybe this has been retconned, but it's more likely that Alessio and Gav just don't know what the hell they are talking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1745953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Thats a 3rd edition generic raptor. Precursor to the much better ones we have now. If i remember right, there were no jump troops for chaos in 2nd ed. From memory, i think you had the 4 cult troops, chaos vets, chaos marines, termies, and demons, plus rhinos, preds and land raiders. You're absolutely right; it was stated in the second ed codex that jump packs were something that only the imperialists had the technological resources to maintain. Raptors were originally introduced in the original Third Ed "Pamphlet: Chaos Space Marines." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1746283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 it's more likely that Alessio and Gav just don't know what the hell they are talking about. Quite. Seems quite common in some later MEQ Codices... *grumbles to himself* Mmm, delicious Night Lords. I'd do a purist army if I ever had the cash to start one. No Chaos, just frightening conversions, speed, and hopefully (not likely) played in such a fashion as to intimidate my opponent and make his troops flee in terror. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149554-forming-a-night-lords-army/#findComment-1747158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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