pyrowarrior Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I am trying to decide who to play DA or SW, i like the Dark Angels fluff but i want a good assualt army and who better then Space Wolves, can some one help me out with deciding? army list, and pros/cons for the space wolves would be helpful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I am trying to decide who to play DA or SW, i like the Dark Angels fluff but i want a good assualt army and who better then Space Wolves, can some one help me out with deciding? army list, and pros/cons for the space wolves would be helpful There's already a post on this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 that was a first draft did not mean to post it:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 DA pros: Raven Wing Death Wing Multi Wing Some really cool hq options for the above forces, and a guy whos sa lazy he gets a robed midget to carry his helmet! what more could you want from a commander? DA cons: Getting shafted by GW on a regular basis. Worse equipment that in C:SM.... ohh and its more expensive too. SW pros: Decent CC units. Now has access to vehicles from C:SM with the exception of the ven dread, they have their own variant. SW cons: entire army is CC orientated, making it difficult to do well in shooty (those long fangs are waaaaay over priced) fleas rabies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 that helps thxs but i could still use a SW army list to compare to my DA one i don't have a C:SW so i can't make a SW army list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 DA pros: Raven Wing Death Wing Multi Wing Some really cool hq options for the above forces, and a guy whos sa lazy he gets a robed midget to carry his helmet! what more could you want from a commander? DA cons: Getting shafted by GW on a regular basis. Worse equipment that in C:SM.... ohh and its more expensive too. SW pros: Decent CC units. Now has access to vehicles from C:SM with the exception of the ven dread, they have their own variant. SW cons: entire army is CC orientated, making it difficult to do well in shooty (those long fangs are waaaaay over priced) fleas rabies You didn't hit the SW cons correctly, we're not CC oriented, we have just as much shooting as a normal marine army if not better (2 plasma pistols, a plama gun, a combi-plas, and an HQ with an assault cannon in one pod is not enough shooting for you?). We have an abundance of special CC weapons as well. Not to mention we are the only SM army now that can have terminators in drop pods, plus we can fit 4 assault cannons in one drop pod! No way you can do that with normal marines of any kind. -edit- Also our Ven. Dread may be different, but it's WAY better (old and wise) and cheaper too. Not to mention he gets counter attack and can lead as an HQ with a mighty force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 over all wolf is SW assualt oriented or something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 over all wolf is SW assualt oriented or something else? Depends on how you play, they will do better than the average space marine in assault that's for sure, but some units (grey hunters which make up the core of your list) dish out lots of shooting, then counter the charge and gain lots of benefits. So in essence, depending on how you play they are a middle ground over anything else. But yes, they can be assault oriented if you wanted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 SW is far more CC oriented than your 'norm' SM army Heh also one of the troop choices, being blood claws.... whats that special rule? head strong? throw in a plasmagun... but when you gotta run, you wont be firing it... of course it could work as a night light. seriously tho, I never saif the SW dread was any worse, personally I hate ALL dreads, they ALL die too easily, but you do have to admit SW are CC orintated, to get a 'standard' troop choice you have to grab greyhunters.... somewhat more expensive than even DA troops, standard 10 man load out, meltagun, missile launcher, power fist, SW are 29 points more expensive and cannot have the missile launcher. when I said SW are CC based, its because only longfangs and wolf guard have access to anything even reomtely like heavy weapons, and both options are insanely expensive to put out in any real numbers, in its place SW get more CC weapon options. P.s. wolf, im also a puppy player. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 What lists do you guys use? so i can get an idea of what a SW army looks like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I rarely take blood claws, they're not worth it for the most part and unless used en-mass I can't see them being viable... but they are cheaper by 2 points to the average marine, and will surely kick their arse in HtH. Not sure about your view on shooting, but it's not about heavy weapons, not by a long shot. Grey Hunters are amazing and have mainly meltaguns and other close assault weaponry that can easily pop vehicles, add to that they can have 2 power fists and you've got a squad that does WAY better than a tac. squad with a missile launcher. Either way, this isn't the right place for this discussion, and if pyro wants to get the answers he seeks he should post in the DA section about DA, and in SW section about SW's, here you won't get straight answers because DA's will downtalk SW's and vice versa, so far I've tried to play nice, but I don't want those dress wearing green guys to win a fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 ok then just give me your views on SW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 hey hey hey, get it right, its dress wearing dark green guys... dont want people mistaking us for orks now.... seriously tho, I would take DA purely because its got an upto date codex (sort of), and the SW codex can be a pain to get hold of as GW do not print it or stock it anymore. One of my basic SW lists is this: Wolf lord -frag grenades -melta bombs -frost blade -plasma pistol -wolf pelt Rune Priest -frag grenades -melta bombs -rune staff -rune weapon Grey hunters (x8) -frag grenades -5x bolters -2x power fists -meltagun Rhino -pintle mounted storm bolter -extra armour Grey hunters (x10) -frag grenades -5x bolters -2x power fists -meltagun Rhino -pintle mounted storm bolter -extra armour Grey hunters (x10) -frag grenades -5x bolters -2x power fists -meltagun Rhino -pintle mounted storm bolter -extra armour Grey hunters (x10) -frag grenades -5x bolters -2x power fists -meltagun Rhino -pintle mounted storm bolter -extra armour Wolf scouts (x5) -frag grenades -2x sniper rifles (I occasionally swap these out to make them more mobile) -2x power weapons -meltagun Total: 1500 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Seriously, if you want a points list, look down below on ALL of the threads below yourself. You will find really good mech lists, dp lists and also sloggy lists. If you visit the main SW site, you can also view a modular SW list based on 750 pt increments. As far as what's good at what: SW are the best counter charge army out there. They rock at cc, they rock at close shooty, and if they get charged, they are just as good as if they had charged. BA are prolly the best army on asasault. DA are prolly one of the best at basic shooty (minus the shooty advantages had out of the new SM codex. They still have amazing chappies and librarians) Really, try looking in on the SW threads. theres a lot of topics up on this already, and in the end, you will KNOW if you are a new SW player or not. If you really like nilla or DA marines and it's a "toss up" about SW's, you prolly wont be happy with SW's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrowarrior Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 whats the name of the main SW webpage or do you mean this site? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 whats the name of the main SW webpage or do you mean this site? He means this site. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I'd seriously take a look at the new SM dex (especially loads of Vanguard squads/assault squads). Anyhow, you should have posted this in the SW and/or DA forums. Moving to the DA forum. When you come up with a list feel free to use the army list forum for review. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 dispite rules and codexs ...they change faster than the phases of the moon ,if i was you id go with the one which i liked rather than the rules of the moment,an army can stay with you a long time and the rules change all the time you need to have the army in your heart or you will tire of it sooner or latter .over the years iv observed that players have a affinity for a certain style of play/type of army ....genraly square pegs dont fit in round holes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother SRM Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Choose for fluff first, then playability. I loved the DA fluff, but got bored with their restrictive codex. Was winning plenty of games, but wasn't having much fun. I adored the Space Wolves fluff, thought they had some pretty awesome models, and I enjoy older codeci with all their quirks. I've been playing them since this past summer, and have had few, if any dull games that I did not enjoy. If you're just looking in it for rules, remember that Space Wolves will be updated long before Dark Angels will be. Rumors have them being pushed from late '09 to anytime in '10, while the DA will have their codex for a long time to come. Also, what appeals more to you, fluff and image wise? A monastic order of reserved and stern warrior monks, or an army of ravenous vikings in power armor, drinking and chopping their way through any foe? Also, you need to consider what you prefer to paint. I got bored to death painting green and bone, and painting Wolves and pack markings will never get old to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 If you even have to ask... you are not ready for Russ's love. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I've only ever had one "easy" win with the Wolves, and that was where I played a SoB player who basically did exactly what I wanted them to. And it was a horrible game. Although we joke about how "broken" we are, the truth is that all things considered we are still a remarkably balanced army - what we don't have insn't really worth having in the grand scheme of things. We can firefight well, with most of our heavy weapons invested in Armour. We perform best between 18"-CC and can ride Pod's, tanks or even footslog a horde of power armoured bad@$$ry across the board. But noone can tell you why you should play Wolves. You just know the army works for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Im a DA ( dont shoot just yet) but I have seen the snow/pub/choppyness of the wolves. I just need the money to get some GH and a good converted wolf lord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 I just started actually playing SW and I can tell you that SW are a great army. I picked them for the fluff and individuality but although I lost my first game (big surprise, especially since I was playing 3v3 and my teamates were a Ravenwing and Tau army =P) but I enjoyed the Wolves ALOT, my Ven Dread took on just about an entire Ork mob with Nob AND Warboss and kicked them all over the place...including killing the Warboss in one turn. Try taking a Space Wolf Ven Dread out in a Drop Pod with Deathwind MLs and a bunch of BCs, GHs, and a Termie pack....good times to be had. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1737945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 wolves is the obvious answer. our codex is 10 years old and is still beating the tar out of the vanilla and da and ba marines. if you loo down on space wolves shooting simply because were not backing heavy weapons then you might want to go to the imperial guard. space wolves are at their best when we are close in. thats where are strenghts are. ive seen very few wolves complain like the da have. although i have never heard a black templar player complain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1738476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Is it just me, or does someone pop on here about every 6 months or so with a "should I play SW or DA" question, and a DA player is quick to jump on with all of the reasons why they are so much better. Then we never see that player post again. Smells like spam to me. Wont get into the debate, other than to say anything DA can do, we can generally do better. Plasma is the only exception, but we come close. I have out CC'd them, I have out shot them. I have never lost to a DA player, ever. I thought Deathwing was cool as could be when I started, but glad I went with the wolves. But, your mileage may vary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149578-dark-angels-or-space-wolves/#findComment-1739050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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