The God Emperor Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 My money rest on the primarchs of the 2nd and 11th legion. If one can delete their own records without anyone knowing, they must have been bad-asses. Notice the "Unknown Authorisation"? The Emperor could not have done it because it would've been "By the Emperor's decree". They're out there. You know they're out there, hunting something. Perhaps chasing the bugs called "Tyranids"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1816576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 they all really got there asses handed to them by the true immotal Connor McCloud! and yes, i just HIGHLANDERed you!! LOL i think the primarchs were very powerful super beings, still very mortal (as they are mostly dead) though they harnessed massive physical and mental power. i really love the romance about them. i have been intrigued ever since the first word i read way back when!! very cool gents. i love that i have been able to model them!!!!!! be well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1816659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Beetle Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 There was an old GW 3rd edition scenario that had rules for several primarchs. i have it on my hard drive somewhere, if anyone would like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1817242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I don't think you're supposed to offer copyrighted materials, but you could certainly sum up the rules in question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1817287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Beetle Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 There's only a few, and they are meant to be treated as unofficial and only for the particular scenarios. Rogal Dorn WS BS S T W I A Ld Save 7 7 6 6 5 6 5 10 2+/4+ Wargear: Articifer Armor, Preatorian mantle (iron halo), MC Bolter, MC power Fist Rules: True Grit, Independent Character, ATSKNF, Iron Will, Seige Master (as Page 17 of Index Astartes II) There's also Magnus, Russ, Ferrus Manus, Perturabo, Lion El'Jonson and Luther. Some have special attacks and also a form of God of War, that only affects units they join. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1817305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 so a guy who does nothing to avenge his lost honor, broods in a castle and probably cuts himself listening to avenge sevenfold is the best? wow, the emperor chose dorn instead of you, get over it! atleast angron and abaddon sometimes attack the imperium. perturabo sits alone and hates himself and the world. he is the most useless, as atleast the dead primarchs died fighting. living and doing nothing is worse than dying. wolf lord kieran The Emperor also chose Horus above everyone else and you can see where that got him. Let's just say the Emperor does not have the best track record as far as judging people. Also, Avenged Sevenfold? HERESY! Perturabo listens to King Crimson and Pink Floyd and maybe secretly some Jonothan Coulton as he is basically the tech geek of the future, Dorn is the emo. Also he doesn't do nothing, he just sends underlings to do things for him, it's kind of like a franchise you see. And hey, at least his life is probably kind of fun what with being the lord of all he surveys and all that, unlike your primarch who is stuck drinking stale beer (this is one of the primary tortures on undergoes in the EoT) and pulling nurglings out of his beard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1818732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 @rain: i cant debate with you good sir, you are just too damn funny. i will say that if stale beer was giving to russ the rage he would fly into would make the burning of prosper seem tame and boring, much like c-span or npr. just a little warning to my traitor brethen. kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1818759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 yeah and lion 'el listens to morrissey and the cure...and little, just a little type o negative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1818830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oor_Mate_vlad Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 yeah and lion 'el listens to morrissey and the cure...and little, just a little type o negative. Whaddya mean a little Type O? The Lion is Pete Steel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1818998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 I can hear the melta's charging... Come on Vulkan, let's ride! *just a grox-alo soldier, in the war for the Emperor...* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1819202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Whaddya mean a little Type O? The Lion is Pete Steel LMAO!!! yeah i know...he's so cool he can only listen to him self!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1819422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 It seems we have a massive nerd war here. ^_^ Who is the best primarch...Or who was...Horus was, but then he got corrupted by chaos... But out of the missing and near dead primarchs, Russ is...Or Vulkan... REALLY, why are people forgetting Corax? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1819917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 because Corax does his best work in secret... wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1820093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyp100 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Oh, and are we forgetting Konrad, who let himself be killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1820202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 because Corax does his best work in secret... Yeah. His secret project turned out real well for him. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1820899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Oh, and are we forgetting Konrad, who let himself be killed. Yes indeed, he allowed himself to be killed to show that the Emperor was just as vicious as he was. Even in death he still wins, as after all, "death is nothing compared to vindication". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1821693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Yes indeed, he allowed himself to be killed to show that the Emperor was just as vicious as he was. Even in death he still wins, as after all, "death is nothing compared to vindication". I Vindicated some guys the other day. Yeah they died too, S10 AP2 does that to ya. Anyway they didn't seem all that well off, so what was your point again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1821772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Uhh, you do know those are Night Haunters last words, don't you? He allowed himself to be killed to show that the Emperor was just as capable of acts of cruelty as he was. His death proved his point, and vindicated his actions. No, I'm not talking about the Vindicator tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1821781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I've never really got why people think the fluff is more 'real' than the actual rules. The fluff is (very blatantly, in my opinion) prejudiced toward the protagonists. Partly because it repeatedly contradicts itself, partly because the events are, often comically, exaggerated, and partly because Black Library authors have said in the past that it is. If you want to say Fulgrim is stronger than a Avatar of Khaine, you also have to accept that guardsmen are stronger than Chaos Space Marines, because you have them trouncing CSM left, right and centre in the Gaunt's Ghosts books! Likewise with the 'Sanguinius held back the forces of chaos at the gates of the Imperial palace!' statement. Well, Commisar Cain 'held back' a Khorne berzerker in CC... IG Commisars > Khorne Berzerkers? A guardsmen in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books destroyed a Chaos Dreadnought single handedly. Guardsmen > Chaos Dreadnoughts? The fluff describes the very greatest heroes facing the most harrowing odds and succeeding. You don't hear about all the Space Marines who took on great odds and... failed miserably and all died. The fluff is the exaggerated, misinformed, dogmatic propaganda of a close-minded, judgemental and desperate Imperium. The Primarchs led the Legions because they were great generals, who could inspire their men on the battlefield - not because they could fend off Titans. If you wanted a Titan dead, you'd get a Shadowsword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1825063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I reckon we are kinda getting off topic here, so before this thread sees the wrong end of a meltagun, lets get back to the point of proving to this guy that PRIMARCHS ARE AWESOME! If you want to say Fulgrim is stronger than a Avatar of Khaine, you also have to accept that guardsmen are stronger than Chaos Space Marines, because you have them trouncing CSM left, right and centre in the Gaunt's Ghosts books!Fair point, my friend, however, Primarchs were engineered to be gods amongst men. And I know most of it was propaganda to make the enemy fear them more, but in Ferrus' last battle (Istvaan V for those who didn't know) it says he killed hundreds of Astartes without taking even a scratch, and despite his enormous bulk, he moved incredibly fast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1825486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Does anyone else think that the Emperor/Primarches were like the Jedis? I mean, when the Emperor was the only super good guy, he was more or less unopposed, then he made 20 other super good guys, and became weaker, while they all got strong too. Then half of them fell to the dark side, and their powers were loosely matched, but the Emperor didn't gain back his powers because the sons were all still alive. Brother fights brother, blah blah blah, a couple die, but not before Horus sets himself up as the big bad guy, so all of the badguy sons who die or kill anyone, that power goes to Horus. When they finally fight, Horus has roughly the same power as the Emperor, but the Emperor hesitates, Horus rips off one of the Emperor's arms and beats him in the head with it then destroys one of his eyes. A loyalist trooper happens upon the scene, and Horus flays him. The Emperor, somehow not seeming to care a whole lot beforehand about his physical state, gets all mad and utterly destroys Horus's mind. He then collapses and eventually Rogal Dorn finds him. .. The powers of good and bad, having nowhere to go, go back to the source, and in 700 years, a new highlander is born.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1825497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son_of_Honda Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Leman Russ could drink an oceans worth of beer, burp so loud you can hear it on terra and kill 10,000 marines with one swing... hurr! not only that, he and i quote "he went fishing one day and caught the father of kraken, the legendary monster whose tentaclesgirdle the world and hold the entire continets in thier grip. Russ is said to have pulled the entire monster from the sea lifting its tentacles. when his awed comrades shuddered in awe , Russ declared it too small and threw it back, declaring he would return later when the tiddler was full grown.......indeed this kraken maybe the source of...the krakens egg. a piece of flesh fifty feet in legth in the trophy room of the fang." hurr that yogi ;) cheers, ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1827283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ya know, if the 1K sons really wanted the space pups gone, they would lead them to a huge cliff and yell "Russ is at the bottom and he says any Wolf that won't jump down and find me is a dress wearing Dark Angel!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1827334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood_raven_240 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I was reading the thread on Angron having rules and I was wondering, why does everyone think the Primarchs are so great that they can kill a titan with a couple of harsh words and a death stare? It's all totally propaganda. Primarch are just super space marines. They also happen to be protaginst in every story they appear in. In other words they are not that good. Just cause some story says they appear godlike, it is just to make them sound important. The emperor was nearly killed by a warboss, horus helped him kill it. Do you see the level the primarchs were on.. Maybe 2 or 3 levels higher then a chapter master. Daemon Prince Angron was killed by a Grey knight! And he had 12 blood thristers helping.. honestly. A primarch didn't win cause he was jesus with a bolter, he won battles because he had surprise and 10k+ fanatical 'Roid Monkeys backin' him up. Totally agree, dude. Totally agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1827344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Daemon Prince Angron was killed by a Grey knight! And he had 12 blood thristers helping.. honestly. You say that like a Grey Knight is the equivalent of a Guardsman. :lol: The GKs are specifically designed to be the biggest and baddest at taking on daemons, there were 100 of them, they were all GK Terminators, and less than 10 survived. Its not like Angron was banished because he was shamefully weak, or because his Bloodthirster buddies didn't cover his back properly. Its worth noting that "No other force in existence could have hoped to battle the Daemon Primarch Angron" (Apoc Rulebook, p122). Primarches are the equivalent of Tyranid super-heavy creaturer - not as big, but with the same weaknesses, namely long-range firepower and swarms of enemies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149629-primarchs-aint-so-great/page/5/#findComment-1827484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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