saphius Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 So I got in a game yesterday and threw together a list in about five minutes just to see how well some Ironclads in DPs would do. Someone else posted their 4 Dread List up and I thought, If your gonna do 4 dreads, make as many Ironclads as possible.... So I ran: Vendread w/ MM, HF, DP, DWML, LB Ironclad w/ HF, Meltagun, Seizmic Hammer, DP, DWML, LB x 3 Grey Hunters w/ Meltagun, 5 Bolters, 2 PW, 2 PP, DP x2 Grey Hunters w/ 7 Bolters, Flamer, 2 PW, DP WGBL W/ Term, RC, AC, FB, WP This approx my list, I added the DWML to a few pods to see how it would do when I ended up short in our point limit. (1750) He Ran WH with the approx following list... Inquisitor + Retinue Some Heavy wep teams with Lascannons Some sentinals with Lascannons Few IG squads w/ Demolition charges Some Iron Fists Arcoflagelants Penitent Engines Leman Russ His lists had tons of plasma and Lascannon. - I think he was expecting my usually mech list with a landrainer Crusader and a bunch of other vehicles. We played a steal the flag mission. (One Obj in each Deployment Zone.) With Dawn of War deployment. I wasn't really In it to win it as much to test the ironclads against an army that could take out vehicles. All the plasma lascannon, evicerators, and penitent engines should be a good test... Or so I thought. When we deployed I just told him I was keeping everything in reserves and didn't tell him what I had. I went second. He moved on his army, fairly bunched, and what was deployed had many good firing points up on some cliffs, and behind some fortifications. Basically he just moved and ran in the first turn getting set up for vehicles moving on. So first turn I dropped in the 4 dread pods. The vendread Killed a rhino, 2 Iron clads killed a Heavy wep team and a IG squad, the other scattered to far to do anything. The pods together, killed another IG squad and some retinue damage. At this point I didn't know how the Dreads would fair in the middle of his army with all his plasma, evicerators, and lascannons pointed at me. (Luckaly his penitnent engines were on the far flank.) So I do a moderate amount of damage. His turn, His plasma can't scratch the Ironclads, and The pods were in the way of lascannons, so cover was my friend. By the end of his turn he managed to kill 4 Drop pods... and Nothing else. (He had to go for the pods because they did as much damage as the dreads but had lower armor.) Well I guess the rest of the game is pretty much history. I'll sum it up in, Evicerators couldn't even touch Ironclads. (Poor Rolling Coupled with armor 13) Plasma can't hardly touch them. And even lascannons don't hurt too bad. The Melta gun on Ironclads always misses, but in H+H with Tanks, an ironclad will Destroy it 3 Times over. By the end of the 4th turn, I had lost the 5 drop pods and Half a squad of GH. (Battle cannon) And he was wiped out. I think I'm going to try this list against another unsuspecting victim in my friend that plays orcs... Those HF on the drop really do so much damage, and the DWML were much more effective than I expected. Though I never got to use a single Locator Beacon because my opponent was so angry at the pods. - A fact I quite like. I'll take a dead pod over a dead Dread anyday. Try the Ironclad assault. It is very fun and effective. The only time I see having a problem (with the armies I usually play against) is Monstrous creatures possibly. Taking those in H+H could prove difficult. But then again, an evicerator didn't fair well at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I used an Ironclad with a DWML Pod in my last game against an Eldar List. The Clad dropped in turn one and popped a Falcon while the DWML started to go to work on some Dark Reapers. The Ironclad was pretty much dropped on his own un supported and caught the attention of the Avatar. In the following turns I lost the Ironclad to the Avatar but he had done his job by diverting him from the main Eldar battle line. I then dropped my Wolfguard unit on his ass and donkey gunned him to death. The DWML eventually forced the Dark Reapers and a unit of Rangers out of thier cosy firing posistion into the hands of my Wolfguard. Over all I liked the way the Ironclad worked out, I will be avoiding MC's in the future but otherwise he is a tough as old boots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The guy who had the 4 dreads was "OnlyInDeath" and he had success with his list as well. The only thing I'd really change is giving a heavy flamer or two to the Ironclads and such to roast those hordes and such. Oh and penitent engines BLOW by the way... ;) Never use them, never ever ever ever... worthless... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The guy who had the 4 dreads was "OnlyInDeath" and he had success with his list as well. The only thing I'd really change is giving a heavy flamer or two to the Ironclads and such to roast those hordes and such. Oh and penitent engines BLOW by the way... ;) Never use them, never ever ever ever... worthless... It could also be me with the 4 dread list. And yes, i have great success with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Ah didn't know you had one too Dark B. maybe you didn't post it? or I never saw it, but thanks for giving your input that you win with it as well. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I think you haven´t see it. I had posted it a few times in the past. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPanda Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Did I miss something in your post because it sounded like you fired your DWML the turn you dropped. I did not think you could do that? How can we fire the DWML the turn we dropped because we count as moving? Please set me straight here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well can't "deepstriking" models fire the turn they arrive?? G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1740959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 I did fire them the turn I arrived... I thought this was legal since it is a vehicle? I could be wrong, I'm def not a rules guru. (Never even owned a rulebook... since 2nd edition, cheap and lazy.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1741104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yeah, i'm not sure on that rule. It all depends on whether they count as moving as cruising or moving flat out. Obviously if the pod is moving flat out, you cant fire weapons. But if it counts as only moving cruising speed, you should be able to fire 1 primary weapon (str5 DWML). Anyone have a rulebook or the SM dex on hand to answer this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1741132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It can't fire the turn it landed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149854-ironclad-assault-very-good/#findComment-1741171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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