Blade_of_Russ Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 When I first started playing I didn't bother with either unit, but later realised they were far more efficient than the Rune Priest and Venerable Dreadnought combo I had been using. The I field both with a heavy bent towards H2H. I use a Wolf Lord with a Belt of Russ, Power Fist & Combi-Flamer, and Wolf Pelt. Due to the rule changes for 5th Ed my second HQ is a Wolf Guard Battle Leader with Runic Armor, Lightning Claws & Storm Bolter, and a Wolf Pelt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Many many many topics on this matter. Have you tried doing a Search? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1741161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Wolf lord or battle leader I used to go with Termi armour, Storm shield, wolf pelt and frost weapon (maybe master craft it with some spare points) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1741197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Maximize the unit. Avoid taking a TH/PF/CF if you can, they have Int 5, use it. If your taking a single LC or PW, take a FB instead. SS is nice, but a Belt of Russ will do the job without taking up a hand. If its a WGBL, throw him in TDA and give him an AC. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1742928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Just to make it clear- Lars here will take any chance to expound on the virtues of WGBLs armed with AC's. Not that anything is wrong with it, in fact it's a combo I use quite often. Some call it cheesy, we call it Wolf. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 So far my WGBL has a PW and SB in TDA but it will probibly change when I can start getting the bitz to change up things rather than just getting to use the AoBR termies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Call it a frost blade at least. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Heres the Wolf Lord Im brining to a local herohammer tournie. Its all on all, 1 board I think, and the rules are: 1 HQ, 1 Model, 250 pts, no special characters- have fun. Wolf Lord Beorn Brokefang. Mastercrafted Thunderhammer. Stormshield. Wolf Tooth Necklace. Wolf Pelt. Frag Grenades. Runic Armor. Runic Charm. Wolf Tail Talisman. 175pts. The most you can fit on him anyways. So heres a question, doesnt apply to my tournie but.... since wolves are wargear do they count against your 100pts of the stuff? Or is only the wargear from the armory? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 So heres a question, doesnt apply to my tournie but.... since wolves are wargear do they count against your 100pts of the stuff? Or is only the wargear from the armory? considering the rules you stated say 1 model... the question is already answered... but they count as a squad, extra models, wounds, attacks, etc. they're not wargear. I suggest you use a 13th co. hero... MotW anyone? :RTBBB: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 That TH might end up killing him.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Call it a frost blade at least. :RTBBB: When I look at getting my army up to 1500pts it will start being a frost blade =P He is also running with a Wolf Pelt and Runic Charm (as is his 4 Body Guards). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 That TH might end up killing him.... Not sure what this means, but I was saying he should use the same wargear and weapons he has now, then just adding MotW, making him 205 points... most of the things he'll face will be a higher weaponskill than him anyways (all the new characters are WS6+, save maybe IG and tau, but lets face it they suck at CC anyways) plus the D3 extra TH attacks... good god MMMMM -edit- You'd obviously be taking off the WTN, so he'd only be 195 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 TH being at Int 0 will end up killing him. Eh, maybe its just me... that 10pts extra for a FB to be +1 str is always worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 TH being at Int 0 will end up killing him. Eh, maybe its just me... that 10pts extra for a FB to be +1 str is always worth it. I think he's worried about MC's... because for sure if I was playing that's exactly what I'd field... 250 points? my what a coincidence... my Bloodthirster is that much... mmmmm I do agree that striking at I would be better for him... but again, a LOT of characters out there are higher than 5 (sadly) and depending on who he's facing, it might be a better option... S5 still hurts T6 though right?... :) just not as easy as S8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 ALways the same Rune armour, wolf tooth necklace, thunder hammer, frost blade and wolf pelt, plus 2 wolves, and the one thats lets you re roll a failed armour save once per game. Yes i know its expensive but he is my great companies wolf lord. I have had games where he is the last man standing. Never taken a wolf gaurd battle leader, Why bother when you can take the Lord instead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Never taken a wolf gaurd battle leader, Why bother when you can take the Lord instead Because the Lord costs more and cant take an AC. I mean Duh! Why WOULDNT you take a WGBL? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I never Fielded WGBL until they could take HW's... 15 points for additional wound and LD right? Always was worth it to me. Now I use WGBL just in pods. WGBL - TDA. AC, FB, WP, RC - Tough and lots of firepower Wolf Lord - FB, WP, RC, BP, Frag - Cheap and effective Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Nah, I never take a Wolf Lord unless I have to. That extra Ld just isnt worth the cost. Sure, the extra wound helps.. but not that much. But, to each their own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 It's SOOoo obvious TDA - CML - Master Crafted Thunder Hammer, Storm Sheild - Wolf Tooth Necklace, Runic Charm, Wolf pelt Having the shootingness of the CML and the CC ugliness of TH/SS combo is nasty. Remember when THs hit, those who suffer a wound go at Int 1, so any of those "I get to go first mobs" are at the same Init as you for next round, that is if they live. I never take a TH/CF/PF w/o SS, you have to have protection to live till Init 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Never taken a wolf gaurd battle leader, Why bother when you can take the Lord instead Because the Lord costs more and cant take an AC. I mean Duh! Why WOULDNT you take a WGBL? ^_^ Not very Fluffy is it now. As you all know its all about the fluff for me. (thats probably why I lose more games than win) My Lord has to be fit to lead, he has to be a cc monster. My troops fight till the last man even if by them holding objectives instead of having one last round round of combat they could win me a game or two. More CC less Shooty shooty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I was curious in anyone of Wolves were fielding heavy flamers with your WGBLs? If any of you have, were they effective? I would much prefer to field these instead of an AC with my Wolves and was just curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 So heres a question, doesnt apply to my tournie but.... since wolves are wargear do they count against your 100pts of the stuff? Or is only the wargear from the armory? considering the rules you stated say 1 model... the question is already answered... but they count as a squad, extra models, wounds, attacks, etc. they're not wargear. I suggest you use a 13th co. hero... MotW anyone? ^_^ Like I said it has nothing to do with my tournie list... just a general question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdenaar Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Though i'm Black Templars (praise Dorn and the Emperor) Space Wolves have always been a favorite Chapter of mine ever since i read the books. I know its not exactly to the topic but i just wanted to say it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Though i'm Black Templars (praise Dorn and the Emperor) Space Wolves have always been a favorite Chapter of mine ever since i read the books. I know its not exactly to the topic but i just wanted to say it anyway. Thank you Valdenaar, I can now die happy knowing you secretly love the wolves, but instead play black templars... thank you. :) @GM I see what you're saying now, (can't believe I missed that line in your post, I need to stop skimming), it's still not wargear, it counts toward the HQ of course, but is a squad in essence... at least it's not listed as wargear... Either way, if you're allowed I think you should still take my advice about giving your character MotW... ;) @ChonkE I've used it a few times (if it's not a tournament list and it's for a friendly match), but was always against a hordes list like orks... but for the most part the AC's will outperform, given in a tournament setting about the only list the HF's will outperform is probably orks... as the AC's will help you kill MC's in other horde armies, and pop tanks for IG. If you want flamer templates on the drop, do like my one list and include some combi-flamers to the other WGBG that don't have heavy weapons. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Though i'm Black Templars (praise Dorn and the Emperor) Space Wolves have always been a favorite Chapter of mine ever since i read the books. I know its not exactly to the topic but i just wanted to say it anyway. Thank you Valdenaar, I can now die happy knowing you secretly love the wolves, but instead play black templars... thank you. ;) everybody is secretly a wolves player at heart Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149896-wolf-lords-and-wolf-guard-battle-leaders/#findComment-1743936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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