Guest WG Vrox Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Ok, new one for me, In looking for a game at a local gamestore I came accross a vanilla SM player who stated that he would play me if I used the stats from the wargear/weapons listed in the SW codex. He was ok with vehicals being out of C: SM, but anything that my codex listed stats for would be used RAW in play. As I had never come accross this I decided I would give it a try and see how my army held up. 1750 point game - you can see the list I played in the army list forum under title Surrounded So basically back to 3rd/4th edition rules for the assult cannon, SS,... any weapon or wargear that we had listed. I ended up with a thorough and decisive victory, mostly due to some poor tactics on his part that allowed me to drop pod 2 HQs on top of his 400 point HQ squad and shoot them dead to a man 4pp 2 pg 2 assult can 12 bolters.... Has anyone heard of others requesting this type of handicap? WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Gladly not. But seriously if someone came up with such an announcement to me i would send him to hell. And for me it sounds like your opponent came up with it cause he hadn´t the balls to meet you on equal terms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 all i have to say is -what a freaking nob... I hate people that think they are smart, when actually they just make themselves look dumber... rant over, sorry! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 the 40k rule book is hardbound for a reason. wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 agreed tear his throat out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Alternativly, point him in the direction of the various rules that contradict this, then ask him whether he would like to reconsider. If not, politely decline a game and go find someone else. Still, well played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 yeah i came across it, a butter DA/BA player in the area says if i play in a game with him i have to use every thing in my book alone, any where where it says See Codex: Space Marines i have to use the 4th ed book (which kinda confuses me a little). it is kind of strange because he has is own up-to-date codex(cies) and i still tend to beat him. i also should mention that when the store hosts a tounry, i get to use the army the way it is supposed to be use (current rules/C:SM) so it is just this one guy but it is still strange. UD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I hate posts like this, nothing against you Vrox, just that every time I see someone saying how they only way they get a game is by handi-capping themselves just pisses me off so much... I'm fortunate enough to have many GT circuit gamers that KNOW the rules so they don't try to pull any crap on me because I'll bite their head off for sure... As others have said it's against the rules for you to NOT use C:SM for your wargear... It's just people that THINK they know what they're talking about, but in fact they're dumb as all hell and try to find any excuse to make their army better, when in fact nilla marines are highly competitive, they're just ornery they lost pods for their termies, multiple heavy weapons in their termies, traits, special weapons in small squads, etc... I wish I was there at every time someone tried to handi-cap the wolves... I'm not sure if they'd be left standing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 People have decided that Space Wolves are cheesy, because we get codex:SM stuff. Bollocks to that. The DA for all their whinning... apparently someone at a local tournie told a guy he HAD to play with the new C:SM profiles, or he wouldnt go on with his turn. The entire forum is shocked, and many of them said they just couldnt do it.... Bollocks to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well it's just people wanted to gimp others while trying to keep as much of the good stuff they can get. Whatever is seen to make the Wolves good (in the eyes of the opponent) they will try to get us to play with the opposite. Whatever helps someone out, or they think will help them out they will try. Some people's kids...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I hate posts like this, nothing against you Vrox, just that every time I see someone saying how they only way they get a game is by handi-capping themselves just pisses me off so much... Not sure why you hate posts that give strength and knowledge to the SW community. I think there are many casual game readers out there that rarely post, but when they see threads like this, they will have more confidence in telling someone to "lick wolf balls" I mean play per the rules, than accept the game as offered. I for one enjoyed the challenge, Even though I play very rarely there, I have never lost a gane at that store so had to make if fun somehow. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I would have told him flatly to no. Or if I agreed I'd let him know I was spotting him and I considered a tie a win, a win a decisive victory, a victory a slaughter and a loss a tie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1741932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I hate posts like this, nothing against you Vrox, just that every time I see someone saying how they only way they get a game is by handi-capping themselves just pisses me off so much... Not sure why you hate posts that give strength and knowledge to the SW community. I think there are many casual game readers out there that rarely post, but when they see threads like this, they will have more confidence in telling someone to "lick wolf balls" I mean play per the rules, than accept the game as offered. I for one enjoyed the challenge, Even though I play very rarely there, I have never lost a gane at that store so had to make if fun somehow. :P I think you mis-understood me. What I was saying is it always gets me upset and angry when I have to see my fellow wolf brothers be literally "bullied" by asinine players. -edited for spelling- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The DA for all their whinning... apparently someone at a local tournie told a guy he HAD to play with the new C:SM profiles, or he wouldnt go on with his turn. The entire forum is shocked, and many of them said they just couldnt do it.... Except that's not what gets said in that thread. Many people were pleasantly surprised. The OP was worried, mostly because this player was apparently going to be a tournament judge at an upcoming event, and the OP wanted to make sure he knew how the tournament was going to be played. One person thought if DAs got the new wargear rules, that it might be more fair for them to also pay new codex prices. Then you tried to troll the thread a few times, and no-one bit on it. Not at all an 'entire forum being shocked, and many of them [saying] they just couldnt do it.' Misrepresenting what went down in another thread in an attempt to stir forum drama? Bollocks to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Causing forum drama? If I wanted to do that, I would say that dresses this season should be a floral pattern and watch all the DA's go running to the local mall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Causing forum drama? If I wanted to do that, I would say that dresses this season should be a floral pattern and watch all the DA's go running to the local mall. Except this isn't the usual good-natured stuff where the DA point out that the Wolves are dumber than a bag of hammers and the Wolves call the DAs swishy, this is someone who either misunderstood what was going on in the other thread, or lying about it to make a strawman point. The first stuff is all in good fun; the second stuff is trolling and does nobody any good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed mate, trolling is never encouraged. Now, it's time to get a'drinkin, I'll buy ya a Zima, I know what ale does to your delicate digestive system;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed mate, trolling is never encouraged. Now, it's time to get a'drinkin, I'll buy ya a Zima, I know what ale does to your delicate digestive system;) Zima! Never! Get me one of those raspberry lambic things and it's a deal though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed mate, trolling is never encouraged. Now, it's time to get a'drinkin, I'll buy ya a Zima, I know what ale does to your delicate digestive system;) Zima! Never! Get me one of those raspberry lambic things and it's a deal though! Appletini? It's a "man's drink" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The DA for all their whinning... apparently someone at a local tournie told a guy he HAD to play with the new C:SM profiles, or he wouldnt go on with his turn. The entire forum is shocked, and many of them said they just couldnt do it.... Except that's not what gets said in that thread. Many people were pleasantly surprised. The OP was worried, mostly because this player was apparently going to be a tournament judge at an upcoming event, and the OP wanted to make sure he knew how the tournament was going to be played. One person thought if DAs got the new wargear rules, that it might be more fair for them to also pay new codex prices. Then you tried to troll the thread a few times, and no-one bit on it. Not at all an 'entire forum being shocked, and many of them [saying] they just couldnt do it.' Misrepresenting what went down in another thread in an attempt to stir forum drama? Bollocks to that. i think your making mountains out of mole hills here old chap... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamat008 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Zima! Never! Get me one of those raspberry lambic things and it's a deal though! Belgian beers, the best of the best... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 let's keep the thread on topic please and minimize the needless chapter v/s chapter bickering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Causing forum drama? If I wanted to do that, I would say that dresses this season should be a floral pattern and watch all the DA's go running to the local mall. Except this isn't the usual good-natured stuff where the DA point out that the Wolves are dumber than a bag of hammers and the Wolves call the DAs swishy, this is someone who either misunderstood what was going on in the other thread, or lying about it to make a strawman point. The first stuff is all in good fun; the second stuff is trolling and does nobody any good. I wasnt trolling. My first post in that thread was to point out something Id read in the blood angels forum, wich I thought might be a useful precident for the DA players. The second one was a response to how shocked people seemed to be.... there were before and after my posts a number of comments saying things like "atleast make me pay more for the options if Im taking them from C:SM" and "what a worryingly nice man". If you got the idea I might be trolling from my posts in "despair from the rock" I promise you I was not. I find the general depression there appalling however, and was attempting to make some counterpoints to the ideas I was reading. I like to play this game, and that means I need other players.... having people upset and finding the whole thing undoable does neither them nor I any good. For that matter I also posted in the BT forum on the same subject and got a very positive response. I apologise if I came off any other way. My point in posting above was to show that while people who notice we have the new toys call use cheesey those marines who dont have them are rather upset about the fact. I dont like it, to much of a double standard in my eyes. *spreads hands* Of course my LGS recently put out their own faq, giving all the DA, BA, and BT the same thing space wolves have- if its replaced by new rules, use the new rules *not points*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 You know, something about the competitive (and confrontational) side of me wants to pack my army up and travel the US, finding stores like this, and seeing what these people have to say to a confident and knowledgeable SW player in person. I will be heading from CO to WV next summer, I might just do that along the way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1742945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Well spoken Grey Mage! In turn, I'd like to apologize to you, for misinterpreting what you'd said in some of those threads. For what it's worth, I still think most of the 'turmoil' in the thread in question was tongue-in-cheek, but that's cool. And I respect what you're saying about the negativity that sometimes comes through in the DA and BA forums. On the one hand, I do think there are some serious problems with the way GW is handling their wargear, and there is a pretty big difference in style between those two dexes and the new SM one. These are problems that needed to be addressed, and solutions to these problems (house rules at people's LGS, tourney rulings, and a press for updated and more useful GW FAQs/errata) need to be discussed too. However, I will agree with you that while there are some people in those forums who are working on making progress and addressing these problems, there are indeed others who just want to wail and moan about them. The first group of people need to be able to keep working on the problem, but the second group are the ones who make the most noise. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding, but I'm glad we worked this whole thing out. To try and bring it back around to being on-topic, hopefully GW has learned enough of a lesson from what happened with 'old' standalone dexes and their wargear that the Wolves (and my 13th Company, who GW had better not write out of existence!) won't have to worry about this problem. And yes megamat008, Belgian beer is made of win. I found a bar sorta near me (I live in the sticks, nothing is actually near me) that has Kasteel Rouge on tap. The beer that's strong enough for a Wolf, but stuffed with enough cherries for a DA! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149910-a-sw-rule-viewpoint/#findComment-1743102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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