Roguemarine Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hello all I don't post here too often but i read a lot and have come up with another question. This has to do with the mentioned land speeder storm. According to the SW:FAQ we can take all variants of the land speeder. Well the people with my local club have mentioned that while yes i can take the land speeder storm, i cannot load my scouts into it because they are Wolf scouts, not SCOUTS. Now i agree that only the scouts could load into it, and they could not have a WGL with them because he's not a "scout" eventhough he's just a squad upgrade, but i think thats kinda pushing for a bit much. Has anyone else had this issue or maybe have thoughts on it? Thanks for the read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 That's pretty bad... Space Wolf scouts are.... scouts. They can ride in it. Like you said a pack leader couldn't. But the way you choose to equip them, has absolutely zero baring on the fact that they are indeed, scouts. And allowed to ride in a scouts transport. The people you were talking to are... well putting it gently, ignorant fools. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1744173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Look at the SCOUT ARMOR section, after power armor but before terminator armor. They wear scout armor... they are called scouts.... Tell them they have their scemantics wrong, it says scouts.... we have scouts. "Wolf" is just an adjective that describes them... no different then "Yellow" "Pansy" "Infected".... It doesnt say in the Storm entry that it has to be a specific type of scout, just that it has to be a scout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1744473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 yeah and a wolf priest is just like a imperial priest and can use the same gear because the wolf part is just adjective . normal SW scouts[for me thats the obel ones ] cant take the speeder . The ones take with the "options from the space marines codex can" . but I still would disadvise from using it . the sw codex already has enough loop holes in it . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1744491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 yeah and a wolf priest is just like a imperial priest and can use the same gear because the wolf part is just adjective . normal SW scouts[for me thats the obel ones ] cant take the speeder . The ones take with the "options from the space marines codex can" . but I still would disadvise from using it . the sw codex already has enough loop holes in it . I agree completely with Jes (ouch that hurt :D ), I believe I was the one who posted they can't have them (the SW variant), but honestly it's not that good at all, trust me, your elites and fast are best spent elsewhere... BS 3 :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1744560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 BS... sorry guys, if they cant take them then they cant take them space marine weapon options or no. Storms are not a transport option available to space marine scouts... and even if they were they still wouldnt be a Weapon option... theyd be a transport option. You cant have your cake and eat it to. I think your arguing scemantics here. The description in the C:SM says it can carry scouts, wich are taken from a scout squad. Under our codex entry for Wolf Scouts it says "The Scout Squad consists of between 4 and 6 wolf scouts". Under the profile box wher it says things like "Iron Priest" or "Grey Hunter" it says "Scouts" and gives their profile. Wolf Scouts are Scouts. They can fit in a landspeeder storm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1744850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Wolf, your voting privileges are suspended until you get your common sense back. Your hanging out with a bad element. Yes, we can use it. Yes, Wolf Scouts can ride in it. No, it cant OBEL (it isnt a dedicated transport). No, they dont have to take SM options to ride in it (it isnt a dedicated transport). And Jes, your analogy fails. Nowhere in our codex does it say refer to C:IG for wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Much debate (scolding) about something simple. The Landspeeder storm doesn't say only scouts can use them it says models in scout armour may only use them. The last time i checked our SW scouts had those on them. BTW who would want to use the storm if they can OBEL the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 No, it cant OBEL no where in the faqs does it say what happens if a units with obel gets a transport with the scout rule and is put in to reservs . no one knows what happens then and which of the rules is more important . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Its actually pretty simple: Can a unit with OBEL bring in a land raider from behind enemy lines? No. They cant bring in a speeder from the opponents table edge either.... it uses its own rules. It has the "Scouts" special rule... so it can either make a free move at the beggining of the game, or it can outflank. If you declare the Wolf Scouts are in it, then they come intogether from the side or your edge depending on what rules you give them because the scouts can outflank with the infiltrate ability. The name of that particular rule is KISS. Just because it doesnt say you cant do something doesnt mean you can... so check what they say you can do. As for deepstriking.... Id have to check the BRB actually, as I believe this is the only deepstriking unit in the game that isnt a dedicated transport or apocalypse. Right now Id say yes though, as I dont see any reason why they couldnt flimb into it and then come in from a drop just like a normal speeder, and I certainly cant see a smurf player saying his scouts couldnt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 And Jes, your analogy fails. Nowhere in our codex does it say refer to C:IG for wargear. It was pure sarcasm on Jes' part when he made the comparison from a wolf priest to an imperial priest... I guess that's the way I saw how he wrote it... :D I took another gander at the dex and I've made a flip flop (I guess Omar scares me or something :P ), and it's written just like any rhino or land raider saying the passenger count and armor type, thought it was strictly different, but I should read things instead of going off of memory... If I find anything else tonight I'll be sure to post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 ya they basically didn't want to see a 7 man scout unit OBEL and a 5 man scout unit flank on a speeder, and completely demolish a flank of their army...can't say i blame them, but its annoying to have to deal with people that all they do is complain about mr 3rd ed codex...like i can make GW write my book faster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Well looking at a typical SW scout squad you'll see 2 plasma pistols, meltagun, and anything the speeder itself have shooting on the flank... nasty indeed... add to that the OBEL of almost the same type (maybe WGPL with combi-weapon) and you've got lots of stuff that's destroyed... don't forget you can assault out of open topped vehicles after moving, pop a tank, assault the guys inside... seems all to fishy for me though... imagine all those power weapon attacks as well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguemarine Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 well my OBEL unit is a WGL with pair of claws, necklace,and a charm MB's 2x PW scouts, and then pistol CCW the rest (7man unit) and the unit in the storm would be 2x PW's and a melta gun, of course they will all have melta bombs. both units together would roughly be 400 or so points, but they can take anything in the game on short of MC's and even then it has happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1745504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJumppanen Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 In my last fight against marines, i lost a Exorchist and almost lost a another when one of those did its 24" scout move and then positioned himself so that he can shoot MM at one Exorchist and then scouts charge the other one. MM either missed or was stopped by a cover save, but scouts did their thing against non moving Exorchist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1746742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focslain Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I was debating on getting a storm and scouts for my drop pod army, I was planning to arm it with an assault cannon though. If I remember correctly the storm has the disruptor beacon which denies deep strikers within 24” of the speeder. Do it have something that helps in the homing of friendly deep strikers or is that another scout unit I’m thinking of (I believe the bikes have this) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1746802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I was debating on getting a storm and scouts for my drop pod army, I was planning to arm it with an assault cannon though. If I remember correctly the storm has the disruptor beacon which denies deep strikers within 24” of the speeder. Do it have something that helps in the homing of friendly deep strikers or is that another scout unit I’m thinking of (I believe the bikes have this) sorry dude. you don't recall correctly... It prevents items that PREVENT deep strike scatter from working within 6" and anyone withing to deep strike by it increase their scatter distance. I'd say it can't OBEL but can ferry Wolf Scouts. Esp if someone made the effort to convert on up specially Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1747809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 If I read this correctly, it could stop demons from using the icon to enter. Right? Without any Icons to enter from the demons are destroyed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1748707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 If I read this correctly, it could stop demons from using the icon to enter. Right? Without any Icons to enter from the demons are destroyed! Well if you're playing chaos daemons the icons are just so the daemons don't deep strike scatter but instead come within 6" of the icon bearer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1748791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I don't think I could talk my scout into boarding and using the storm, they like the ground underneath their feet and wide open spaces to roam, all that flying about they leave to those impetuous Blood Claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1748867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 My scouts are more practical, and they dont even mind the chapter surfs that are flying the damn thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1748891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 My scouts are more practical, and they dont even mind the chapter surfs that are flying the damn thing. Space Wolves pilot all vehicles... space going ships are the only exceptions. Their fellow scouts pilot the storm (thats why they are open topped, IIRC). I will get one when the model comes out, seems nifty. Will it be in every list? Certainly not. But, nifty all the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1749095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 My scouts are more practical, and they dont even mind the chapter surfs that are flying the damn thing. Space Wolves pilot all vehicles... space going ships are the only exceptions. Their fellow scouts pilot the storm (thats why they are open topped, IIRC). I will get one when the model comes out, seems nifty. Will it be in every list? Certainly not. But, nifty all the same. fellow Wolf Scouts with BS 3... :( that's just not right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1749366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Wait, LS Storm is BS3? Then they are Blood Claws assigned to pilot... later on, they will graduate into GH and start piloting regular speeders. See, simple! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1749423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Wait, LS Storm is BS3? Then they are Blood Claws assigned to pilot... later on, they will graduate into GH and start piloting regular speeders. See, simple! Actually I quite like that fluff. Nice job on that one. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150114-land-speeder-storm/#findComment-1749452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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