Lightning Claws

[Mr Peon]

From memory when looking over the rules, if you have multiple close combat attacks and only 1 weapon with a special ability then all of your attacks come with that special ability. So with Dual lightning claws you could get the same affect from a lightning claw and bolt pistol or combat blade, as they have no special abilities. So why are people paying another 30 points to get dual claws still?

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

If you buy one lightning claw, you get X power weapon attacks that can reroll to wound.

 

If you buy two, you get X+1 attacks.

 

So the second claw is for the second attack.

 

You can't get the additional attack for two close combat weapons with Lightning Claws unless you have another Lightning Claw.

 

The question is whether the additional attack is worth it. I think so. Meh for shooting, go CC!

[Mr Peon]

So thats a rule specific to lightning claws?

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

Look in the rulebook under special close combat weapon attacks, page 42:

 

Powerfists, thunder hammers, and lightning claws are an exception to this. Only a second power fist, thunder hammer or lightning claw can confer a bonus attack to a model equipped with one of these weapons.

 

Originally only applied to lightning claws in editions 3 and 4, but in edition 5 they decided powerfists needed a nerf beyond points cost and I1. :P

[nighthawks]

and do not forget the special rules associated with wounding rolls and lighning claws. even one is bettern than a Bolt pistol +chain sword. (though with 1 fewer attack)

[Stormcaller3801]

You get less, but better odds of a kill with what you have. Similar trade-off to twin-linking weaponry.

[WarpSpawn]

Does kinda make power swords redundant on models without a second CC weapon. I think there's going to be a lot of captains with bolters (combi or otherwise) and relic blades, that look suspiciously like a vanilla power weapon, finding their way into space marine armies.

[daemon*hunter]

Look in the rulebook under special close combat weapon attacks, page 42:

 

Powerfists, thunder hammers, and lightning claws are an exception to this. Only a second power fist, thunder hammer or lightning claw can confer a bonus attack to a model equipped with one of these weapons.

 

Originally only applied to lightning claws in editions 3 and 4, but in edition 5 they decided powerfists needed a nerf beyond points cost and I1. :)

wait... Chainfists? or do they still count as powerfists?...

[nighthawks]

chainfists ARE power fists, but with better AP.

[eyescrossed]

But a chainfist is different to a power fist, so couldn't you be a RAW monkey and take a BP/chainfist and claim the extra attack?

Or am I terribly wrong?

[Mr Peon]

No, as the rules for chain fists say that they are treated like powerfists with a 2d6 for armour penetration. You could use your same logic to say that ork power Klaws can get the bonus as they are not powerfists. The question is could you have a powerfist and a chain fist and get the bonus.... but then again could you actually get both on a model legally?

[Dunedon]

So my question now is ... does a Terminator have 2 power fists, or just one? The description says ... power fist, but the model definately looks like both hards are encased in the same armour.

 

- Dunedon

[Banville]

Termies have one Powerfist. The other's holding a Stormbolter. One's about 4 times the size of the other! :)

[Steelmage99]

Plus don't look at the model for any kind of rules justification. Just stick to the rules.

[Dunedon]

Termies have one Powerfist. The other's holding a Stormbolter. One's about 4 times the size of the other! :)

 

You're right of course ... that will teach me to post with next to zero sleep ... it's only my TLC termies that look to have powerfists on both hands (obviously!)

 

And to steelmage, I wasn't looking for rules justification via model, just putting out an observation (granted it was an incorrect one). I'm a DA player, I'm very used to being told to play by the rules <grin>

 

- Dunedon