Iron Warriors...

[Commander Skaav]

I'm considering doing my own variation of an Iron Warrior army, but since losing my copy of the Chaos Codex, it has become difficult to achieve.

 

I spoke with a member of staff at a branch of GW, and he thought using the Space Marine codex would be ok, so that you could field an Tech Marine as an Iron Warrior Warsmith, now, I don't have current plans to do them them as Pre Heresy (yet, because that's a later project I hope to do), but I do have plans for doing a few items for them as Chaos Marines.

 

Would opponents have a problem with this idea, I mean to say, as long as I avoid all the Space Marine Items that the servants of Chaos wouldn't get, like Landspeeders, Whirlwinds, Crusaders and Redeemers, and replace Autocannons with Reapers, would it be feasible to do an army list such as this using an alternative codex?

 

I don't see the IW as using daemons any way, and if I wanted to do that, I would field a Daemon army. Drop Pods I would count as Dreadclaws, and would perhaps model them as such, and perhaps find a way of working their rules to fit the Codex rules.

 

Basically, what I would want to know is, could this idea work? Would this idea work?

[Rain]

Just so you know, there have already been several topics discussing this, I think it started with people wanting to represent NL but eventually both IW and AL were also discussed. You might want to look around. Long story short, opinion is very divided with some people not having any problem with it and others being staunchly against it.

 

Purely fluffwise, it would probably work even if you took some "loyalist only" items, especially as Storm of Iron had IW running around with multi-meltas (read the excerpt on the BL site, an IW with a MM blows up a bunker) and the chaos codex actually has pictures of chaos multi-meltas and plasma cannons! Then again, I think tournaments would not allow this, so it's really up to your gaming group and circumstances and not us.

[Askari]

Why not just buy a new copy of the chaos dex instead of buying a copy of the new space Marine dex? That way you don't have to work hard to make a fluffy army.

[Rain]

Why not just buy a new copy of the chaos dex instead of buying a copy of the new space Marine dex? That way you don't have to work hard to make a fluffy army.

 

Actually you would, in all honestly using the Chaos codex would require quite a bit of self imposed restriction to play a truly fluffy Iron Warriors army, that said, it's easier to just suck it up and use the Chaos codex so as to avoid lengthy explanations and funny looks.

[Commander Skaav]

Could it at least work say for a pre-heresy version of them?

[Rain]

Fluffwise it would work for both as you are basically trading obliterators and defilers for techmarines and siege dreads, all of which are fluffy choices and referenced in IW fluff, yet unfortunately they do not all occur in the same codex. The problem lies in whether or not you can play it which is up to the people you game with as some people don't seem to want to play against a legion list using loyalist rules.

[Massawyrm]

Then again, I think tournaments would not allow this, so it's really up to your gaming group and circumstances and not us.

 

While every tournament is different, the 'counts as' rules are pretty straight forward. As long as a model is 50% GW and its function is explained before the match, the figures are legal. In the case of running a few of the traitor legions (the ones that most resemble SMs) as Space Marines, it's pretty hard for someone to argue that they are somehow confused by the swap. It is after all simply a "heavily converted homebrew chapter with lots of fluff." Don't try to run a defiler as a dreadnought or any rampant silliness like that and any decent tournament runner worth his salt shouldn't actually have a problem with it, once properly explained.

 

Just make sure everything is WYSIWYG and it will become mighty hard to argue from a GW rules perspective.

[Jarulek]

Purely fluffwise, it would probably work even if you took some "loyalist only" items, especially as Storm of Iron had IW running around with multi-meltas (read the excerpt on the BL site, an IW with a MM blows up a bunker) and the chaos codex actually has pictures of chaos multi-meltas and plasma cannons! Then again, I think tournaments would not allow this, so it's really up to your gaming group and circumstances and not us.

 

Dreads and Oblits can fire plasma cannons and multi-melta's.That's why they are listed in the armoury.

 

I would allow it if one would like to field IW with the sm codex. But please don't swap the servo-harnass for a conversion beamer and stuff like that. Use the 3.5v and established fluff for your armylist. Master of the Forge,Techmarines, Ironclads, Tacticals, Vindicators, Preds and standard Land Raider should be all that you need.

[the jeske]

As long as a model is 50% GW and its function is explained before the match, the figures are legal.

they really put that rule in? damn some of my NM are my own aside for the shoulderpads and backpacks they are non-GW . thats sucks so hard . another army made unplayable , thx GW .

[Rain]

Purely fluffwise, it would probably work even if you took some "loyalist only" items, especially as Storm of Iron had IW running around with multi-meltas (read the excerpt on the BL site, an IW with a MM blows up a bunker) and the chaos codex actually has pictures of chaos multi-meltas and plasma cannons! Then again, I think tournaments would not allow this, so it's really up to your gaming group and circumstances and not us.

 

Dreads and Oblits can fire plasma cannons and multi-melta's.That's why they are listed in the armoury.

 

I would allow it if one would like to field IW with the sm codex. But please don't swap the servo-harnass for a conversion beamer and stuff like that. Use the 3.5v and established fluff for your armylist. Master of the Forge,Techmarines, Ironclads, Tacticals, Vindicators, Preds and standard Land Raider should be all that you need.

 

Please actually read my post. I was not talking about the armory listing I was talking about the pictures of a clearly man operated Chaos plasma cannon and multi-melta in the armory section. Not the summary entry, not the statlines, but the pictures of the weapons in infantry borne form with chaos iconography on them.

 

As for the counts as argument, I think that some tournaments do not allow you to counts as "iconic" chapters, so a black and white marine army with Maltese crosses has to use codex BT and not codex SM and I would imagine a silver, gold, and black army with spikes and hazard stripes would have to use codex chaos. Of course this can all be solved by just staying away from tournaments :lol:

[Commander Skaav]

Purely fluffwise, it would probably work even if you took some "loyalist only" items, especially as Storm of Iron had IW running around with multi-meltas (read the excerpt on the BL site, an IW with a MM blows up a bunker) and the chaos codex actually has pictures of chaos multi-meltas and plasma cannons! Then again, I think tournaments would not allow this, so it's really up to your gaming group and circumstances and not us.

 

Dreads and Oblits can fire plasma cannons and multi-melta's.That's why they are listed in the armoury.

 

I would allow it if one would like to field IW with the sm codex. But please don't swap the servo-harnass for a conversion beamer and stuff like that. Use the 3.5v and established fluff for your armylist. Master of the Forge,Techmarines, Ironclads, Tacticals, Vindicators, Preds and standard Land Raider should be all that you need.

 

I wouldn't use a Conversion Beamer anyway, I remember during the time of the old Chaos Codex (the one before the current issue), The Iron Warriors had Warsmiths with a Servo Harness like the one used in the old Techmarines that used to come in the old metal Command Squad box set.

 

I'd try and stick to the closest appearence of how I remember them actually being with I saw them in store and the books and magazines when the 4th Edition Codex came out.