Wings vs jump packs

[Drudge Dreadnought]

So we're all familiar with how jump packs turn you into jump infantry but wings just make you move as jump infantry and i've seen plenty of people on these boards wonder why there is this obvious superiority for wings. Well i think i've figured out why. Its because of daemon princes who have wings. If wings and jumppack were the same thing then the daemon prince would become jump infantry and so lose its MC stuff.

[Massawyrm]

Nope. Wings are superior because Winged units can use transports while jump infantry can't. Demon Princes can ONLY take wings. They cannot become jump infantry.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Nope. Wings are superior because Winged units can use transports while jump infantry can't. Demon Princes can ONLY take wings. They cannot become jump infantry.

 

Did you even read my post?

[Zealot Of Chaos]

both points are essentially correct wings just ALLOW you to move like jump infantry whereas jump packs MAKE you jump infantry

therefore MC's stay MC's with wings rather than become jump infantry (not that they can take jump packs anyways, only wings)

Lords / Sorcs can jump around with wings and still get in rhinos and the like whereas if they have jump packs they can only jump around, no free lifts from transports for them

So wings are always better than jump packs because its not a permanent transformation into jump infantry

[Massawyrm]

Nope. Wings are superior because Winged units can use transports while jump infantry can't. Demon Princes can ONLY take wings. They cannot become jump infantry.

 

Did you even read my post?

 

Yep. I was disagreeing without using the words "wrong" or "What the hell are you talking about?" Your post was about why you think wings are superior. And I think you are far off the mark. It has nothing to do with Demon Princes or in any way losing their MC status. People find wings superior for one reason and one reason only. Winged lords and sorcs joining Rhino units.

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Nope. Wings are superior because Winged units can use transports while jump infantry can't. Demon Princes can ONLY take wings. They cannot become jump infantry.

 

Did you even read my post?

 

Yep. I was disagreeing without using the words "wrong" or "What the hell are you talking about?" Your post was about why you think wings are superior. And I think you are far off the mark. It has nothing to do with Demon Princes or in any way losing their MC status. People find wings superior for one reason and one reason only. Winged lords and sorcs joining Rhino units.

 

No, my post doesn't say that.

 

My post is not about if or why wings are superior, that is not in doubt. My post is about why GW made them superior, and why wings is one option and jump packs is another rather than it simply being wings/jump pack.

[Massawyrm]

Ah. My apologies. Rereading it I found the confusion. Your wording seems to intimate something else, but run-on sentences will do that.

 

Not entirely sure I agree. Seeing how the GW boys tend to come up with their rules Ideas I would tend to believe that they would have written an exception rather than creating a new mode of transport. Odds are it came down to an office discussion/argument over the fact that jump troops can't fit into transports because of their huge honkin' packs - but a creature's wings could fold in neatly behind it allowing them to get into one. Since only a handful of HQ units can even take the option, they let it slide. Otherwise there seems to be no mechanical rhyme or reason to allowing a flying HQ unit to get into a transport.

[Night Stalker]

it is illogical and bad for the game that jump infantry fit into non-tunderhawk transport.

 

I never use said option, and i will never use it.

[Captain Malachi]

it is illogical and bad for the game that jump infantry fit into non-tunderhawk transport.

 

I never use said option, and i will never use it.

 

Why is it illogical? Wings can be folded up pretty easily as Messawyrm said, whereas jumppacks do take up a lot of room simply because they have a huge engine in it, which wings don't.

[Rain]

That's an interesting catch Drudge, but as the gear entry says Wings/Jumpack for lords instead of having wings and jumppack as separate selections, I suspect that originally they were supposed to be interchangeable representations of "demonic flight" as per the old 'dex, but as the rules for them were written sloppily it ended up allowing us to put winged lords into rhinos. Oh well, might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

[Askari]

So can Lords with wings deepstrike? if not then that's an option jump packs have that wings don't. Though i think they can.