minigun762 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think the Word Bearers are chosen as the enemy in games for two reasons mainly: They are generic and they are red. Of all the reasons why, I think this is the best ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1751856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Actually I do think that has something to do with it. Black might be had to do from a video graphics point of things, not a black background of course, but black armored figures fighting. Black just tends to look "void" on video screens (and in real life too, that's why stagehands wear black while wking durning a performance, the fade into the background). It's much harder to make black look interesting and stand out (I know b/c I've painted 100+ black figs :D ) which you want the characters in a video game to do. The choice to use WB in the video games could have had nothing to do with fluff or who best represents chaos, it could have been the lead video graphic designer, who knew little-nothing about the fluff saying "we're using the red ones". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1751929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch Naogedd Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yeah; Relic has a massive fluff-fail. Khorne Alpha Legion champion? :cuss? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Up until recently the post-heresy 'surface'-similarities were like, this to me: BL = Ultra Marines DG = Iron Hands/Salamanders EC = Dark Angels IW = Imperial Fists NL = Raven Guard/White Scars WB = Black Templars WE = Space Wolves/Blood Angels TSons = Blood Ravens (did you see what I just did there?) I get what you're saying though but to me the Ultra Marines Chaos equivalent is and always have been the Black Legion. They've always been featured in the same vein as the UM, be it in WD's, the campaigns, or the Codices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 In 2nd Edition that was the Night Lords... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I think Nihm's list pretty much hit it right on the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 In 2nd Edition that was the Night Lords... in first 3ed they were also heavy featured. and 3th edition have Crimson Fists as their main antagonists [sM poster boys] :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Because they were on the Codex cover? Some say it was the edition of the Black Templars because they were on the starter box and the rulebook. I would disagree with both, since the Ultramarines were most prevailant inside the 3rd Edition Codex Space Marines and were on all the box covers IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'd love to see what people would say if GW actually killed off the ultras, I don't think anyone would genuinely be all that happy, who you going to hate when they're gone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsoftaurus Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Most likely just a result of when they're choosing a marine chapter for a product, they normally default to Ultramarines. Then when they look for a Chaos opponent, Word Bearers with their history of mutual enmity come to mind. If they did an Imperial Fists-themed product the Chaos opponents would almost certainly be Iron Warriors, if SW would be Thousand Sons, etc. (in fact in BL books like Storm of Iron and the SW series I believe that that *has* been the case) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Mind this though: It could not have been the Sons of Horus to attack and delay the Ultramarines during the heresy, since they were en route to Terra to spearhead the assault. And Horus was of all the loyalist Legions most concerned about the Ultramarines, thus he sent them far far away when he made his move. If anything it says something about Horus' regard for the Word Bearers that he sent them to attack the Ultramarines while taking the other traitor legions to assault Terra. Whether that is good or bad, I cannot say. It does not say so much about the Word Bearers relationship to the Ultramarines. Unless they volunteered to do it. I have not read the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1754644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiri the Corrupted Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Mind this though: It could not have been the Sons of Horus to attack and delay the Ultramarines during the heresy, since they were en route to Terra to spearhead the assault. And Horus was of all the loyalist Legions most concerned about the Ultramarines, thus he sent them far far away when he made his move. If anything it says something about Horus' regard for the Word Bearers that he sent them to attack the Ultramarines while taking the other traitor legions to assault Terra. Whether that is good or bad, I cannot say. It does not say so much about the Word Bearers relationship to the Ultramarines. Unless they volunteered to do it. I have not read the book. Meh, don't bother: it doesn't explain anything, raises more questions, has hollow 2 dimension characters and is predicable. And there's not nearly enough smurfkilling going around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1755061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradiel Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yeah; Relic has a massive fluff-fail. Khorne Alpha Legion champion? :cuss? and the world eaters sorcerer from dark crusade? even worse :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1755071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch Naogedd Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Um... the Chaos Lord in Dark Crusade was a Dark Apostle... Lord Crull (from Winter Assault) was not a sorceror. And looky here, there was an Alpha Legion commander in the original game that was not happy with getting the Orks to engage the Blood Ravens, and wanted to do it himself. Wow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1757628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Um... the Chaos Lord in Dark Crusade was a Dark Apostle... Lord Crull (from Winter Assault) was not a sorceror. And looky here, there was an Alpha Legion commander in the original game that was not happy with getting the Orks to engage the Blood Ravens, and wanted to do it himself. Wow. But there was a Tzeenchian Sorcerer with a Daemon Weapon of Tzeentch who prayed to Khorne and got turned into a Daemon Prince by him. Now that's something :) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1757676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoonKin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Up until recently the post-heresy 'surface'-similarities were like, this to me: EC = Dark Angels Interesting comparison.. I was wondering how does this work ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150610-word-bearers-as-chaos-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-1757700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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