MithrilForge Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I don't know. Though many think of us as barbaric, the Wolves are driven, as much as anything, by honor. Just don't see it happening. please dont take to heart what were doing here,I can see how you would defend your primarch to the very end ;) but this isn't about trashing your chapter.Were putting aside the "i don't see this happening in the 40k universe" feelings to make something quirky and fun ^_^ (i honestly wouldn't think of ol' leman russ as a traitor either based on the canon for him...but i do want to use his chapters rules and coolness to make my "What if" A$$ Kicking WorldEaters army of doom :devil: perhaps a "Khârn the Fell Handed" will make an appearance.. Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1778461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Khorne Touched Wolves? Well, the Imperium probably wouldn't exist anymore. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1778829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sigismund a Traitor!!! Heresy! Never! I could see Guilliman pulling a Caesar and turning on the Emperor with his whole Legion. But it would be cool if they didn't turn to Chaos and were instead a renegade faction, like a seperate Imperium that resisted Chaos and the Emperor. Dorn/Sanguinius/Horus would take it to Guilliman for betraying their father. Lorgar would still be Chaos but ride it out with the other fringe Legions (World Eaters, Night Lords, Thousand Sons who would have been caught for sorcery eventually). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1778892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 the canis helix would prevent the wolves getting tainted by chaos.it's in our geneseed and it always has and will be hell, us space wolves will turn wulfen in a defence to the taint of chaos while i get your link with khorne it's just unlikly for the wolves to get tainted on the other hand i could see them launching a full scale assault on planets in the ultra marine system, slaying all who support the ultramarines,saving none, and thus displaesing the emperor, but fully turning traitor, never:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1792698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I can see a better parallel for the Space Wolves with the Night Lords personally. Think of the terror that a few hundred wolf calls would bring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1793048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodecimo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 What about Blood Angels-Luna Wolves? Horus always said that Sanguinius should have been the Warmaster, so what if he handed the position to the Blood Angels' primarch? Sanguinius was wounded at Davin, which caused the Blood Angels to go slightly crazy and become maybe less psychotic and more vengeful servants of Khorne. Sanguinius would then be turned to Chaos in the Serpent Lodge instead of Horus. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1795338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyzerker Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Why does everyone assume the BA would go to Khorne? The red armor? The word "blood" in their name? All similarities end there, sadly (at least in PH times). Take a closer look at the Worldeaters and see what made them choose Khorne, then find the loyalist legion that showed almost the exact same character traits, forming a perfect opposite. The Wolves fit the bill to a tee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1796926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Why does everyone assume the BA would go to Khorne? The red armor? The word "blood" in their name? All similarities end there, sadly (at least in PH times). Take a closer look at the Worldeaters and see what made them choose Khorne, then find the loyalist legion that showed almost the exact same character traits, forming a perfect opposite. The Wolves fit the bill to a tee. Agreed ;) and the Worldeaters are the Flip of that coin,what with all their pit fighting and love of the battle.....space wolves rules fit them like the proverbial powerfist ;) Mithril Added EDIT -and the blood angels seem destined for slaneesh,validated by the point about sanguinius not being killed by horus...no "black rage" etc etc fits very well,thus the arty perfectionist side comes to the fore.... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1797018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerjwho Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 @hendrik: I can kinda see the wolves inherent resistance to chaos as the very reason they would end up turning: The Canis Helix is a mutation, which as you say can cause them to go Wulfen. Werewolves look for all intentions like monsters, and so would presumably be frowned upon amongst 'codex' legions, probably causing conflict. What if this were to go one step further, with some kind of 'Council of Nikea' scenario? A council is called between the primarchs and the Emperor, and encouraging existing mutation is forbidden to the point of executing those who display it. Russ agrees but secretly allows it to continue, seeing the benefits it brings to his wolves. At some point after this, Russ tries to use his Wulfen to help in an important battle etc. with the best intentions in mind, still being completely loyal to the Emperor. This exposes the continued allowed mutations to the other legions, pointing out that Russ has in effect directly disobeyed the Emperor. The Wolves are then seen as traitors, and have to choose between fleeing and becoming renegades, or being destroyed wholesale. Russ is beaten in single combat by a brother primarch who manages to hunt him down, and the anguish of this turns the Space Wolves renegade, blaming the Emperor for the death of their 'father'. Sorry to ramble on, but I'm just trying to point out to the people saying 'this could never happen' that in a fictional 'what if' world, ANYTHING is possible with the right set up. I've been lurking this thread for a while and I love the idea, to the point where I'm probably gonna base an army off of it. Good work all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1797629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlagueMaster 1988 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 In answering a question on the previous page about why Leman Russ would fall, heres my theory. From the new book 'Legion' we discover the Alpha legion are not really evil, they are simply doing whats best for everyone in the galaxy. If humanity must rend itself apart in a civil war that will eventually allow Chaos to rule, but then destroy itself as Chaos cannot sustain itself, so that the galaxy will actually be free of Chaos forever after a few centuries of pure horror rather than many millenia of gradual decline then constant Chaos, so be it. I beleive this may be where the space wolves would fall into place. They dont 'fall' they just discover why the heresy is important as a means to an end. Russ at first refuses to beleive it, as did Alpharius, but he realises that the alternate fate to the galaxy is actually worse, and killing the Emperor will release his godly form and allow him to vanquish Chaos. The *star child* theory. So the stoutly loyal Space wolves are still stoutly loyal. They hate aliens, so it doesnt have to be eldar that tell them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1797765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyzerker Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 ...Russ tries to use his Wulfen to help in an important battle etc. with the best intentions in mind, still being completely loyal to the Emperor. This exposes the continued allowed mutations to the other legions, pointing out that Russ has in effect directly disobeyed the Emperor. At which point the Emperor sends the Thousand Sons to put Fenris to the torch... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1797788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 That would be Ironic: In his fury, Leman Russ calls out to the powers to save his beloved Fenris and lo, Khorne did spake and sucked Russ and the Wolves into the Warp. Turning them to his cause they took up a new moniker: "The Wolves of Khorne" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1797921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerjwho Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 @Skyzerker:OOOOh the Wolves of Khorne. I sincerely hope this whole thing does end with the SW turning Khorne, I'm gonna do a few renegade models based on this theme anyway. I think my next Chaos chapter has just been born! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1798306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKits Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 wow.. i'm very amazed that my list is making such debates ^.^;;; though i realy should work on doing some models on this theme too. see what my take on each of the factions would be and see what i can do to put em up online for you guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1806299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-relk Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 my list would be: Ultramarines = black legion - both master tactitions salamanders = Emperors children - both excell at making/perfecting weaponry space wolves = world eaters - savage in CC, both use genetic mutation (wolfen vs combat implants) raven guard = alpha legion - both use stealth/guerilla tactics iron hands = death guard - both encourage the perfection of thier sole ideal (flesh is weak vs the toughest legion evah!) dark angels = word bearers - both are very secrative in their rituals and beliefs blood angels = thousand sons - both primarchs had mutation (wings vs cyclops/magik) imperial fists = Iron warriors - both are seige/defence masters white scars = night lords - both use terror/shock tactics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1806341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKits Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 not bad list and i have to say i like it as well <_< its nice to see more then me put one up for ideas for people *giggles* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1810834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain the Ranger Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Ok, here is what mine would be for the Wolves A Space Wolf company gets stranded during warp travel due to this prolonged time in the warp, the Space Wolf geneseed mutates most of the Space Wolves there into Wulfen. The eventually get out of the warp and arrive at the planet they are supposed to protect. The people there are afraid of the Wulfen and a distress signal is sent. The message reaches Horus who can't believe one of the most loyal legions have fallen. Magnus tricks Horus into ordering the Wolves on the planet destroyed. Russ is accused by the Primarchs of heresy and is to be brought before Horus to testify to what he has done. Lorgar failed to win over Horus at Davin decides that Russ would be the easiest to win over now that he is facing these charges. Lorgar contacts Russ and offers him sanctuary a way to kill that sorcerer Magnus, and overthrow the Emperor. Russ is thrown into a rage a betraying the Emperor and takes the full might of his legion to Colchis to burn it to the ground. Unfortunately for Russ this action confirms in the other Primarch's minds that the Space Wolves are traitors and need to be killed. The Space Wolves raze Colchis to the ground, but find their home world of Fenris destroyed by Magnus and his legion. The Space Wolves are eventually chased into the Eye of Terror and there become fearsome Wulfen. The Space Wolves refused the gods there, and never fell to Chaos. To this day the Wolves come out of the Eye to raid areas controlled by the Primarchs who branded them traitors. A Wolf prophecy speaks that once the Emperor rises from the Golden Throne the Wolves will be freed from their curse and will once again join the Imperium. The Wolves sort of fit in a Alpha Legion like standpoint. They are only loyal to the Emperor, but hate the Primarchs. As for the rest of the Heresy I would say the Lion would end up betraying with prodding from Lorgar. They would probably take the World Eaters, Iron Hands, Night Lords, Salamanders, and the Raven Guard with them. The Lion saw what happened to Lorgar, who he was close with, Lorgar told him that Russ was the first of the Primarchs to fall and that Horus and the Emperor wanted to be worshiped as gods and to do that they would find ways to kill the other Primarchs off. The Lion in his paranoia decides that he would make sure it didn't happen to him. The Iron Hands start worshiping the machine god and are declared traitors by Horus. WB/WE/NL same reasons normally Guilliman would betray during the Heresy and shore up Macragge as his own empire. He would never fall to chaos, but think that he could run things better than Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1811314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlerook Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I kind of imagine it would be along these lines, I'll keep my reasoning brief. Dark Angels - World Eaters or Black Legion - The DA do value honour above all else, hence the secrecy surrounding the Fallen, honour, pride, revenge.....all lead to the ways of Khorne in my opinion. Black Legion comparsion, well Lion El Jonson was a master tactician, second only to Horus. White Scars - Possibly either Night Lords or again Black Legion - Both legions in my opinion rely on speed tactics to wear down the enemy, Night Lords do it using terror tactics to shock the enemy and fight them before any real resistance can be formed, Black Legion just keep attacking the enemy with ever decreasing delays. Space Wolves - Bit controversial, but I'd say Word Bearers. Russ respected the Emperor because he was the only person who ever defeated him in fair combat. Many people saw the Primarchs as almost Demi-gods....and its only a matter of time before a primarch could start believing the hype. I could imagine Russ starting to believe the Emperor was a god then. Imperial Fists - Kinda obvivous..... Blood Angels - Emperor's Children, both sought perfection for Humanity. Iron Hands - Thousand Sons.... Both played with some pretty dangerous idealogies, while Magnus went down the route of magic, Manus was too keen on cybernetics, at what point does the ghost still appear in the machine? Would a soul still exist in a metal body? Ultramarines - Death Guard, strange choice, but I think Guilliman saw too much in codifying everything, which would make him Nurgle's poster boy for all that disease cataloging....also....the diseased pus and flesh would make a change from all the blue. Salamanders - World Eaters, in my mind, they could see whole worlds burn. Raven Guard - Alpha Legion or Night Lords, all three legions rely greatly on stealth tactics, sabotage and assassination of key targets. In the end, these are just my thoughts, some of you might agree, some of you might not, but like I said, my thoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/150957-not-your-40k/page/3/#findComment-1811442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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