The Landraider Corrupter

[BrassClaw]

Hello Chaos Fans!!

 

So we over at the throne of skulls say that chaos should have another Landraider Variant. So here it is.

 

FA:14 SA:14 RA:14 BS4 Cost:260

Unit Type

Tank

 

Wargear

2 Hurricane Bolters

1 Corrupter cannon

Smoke Launchers

Searchlight

 

Special Rules

Assault Vehicle

 

Transport

16 Models

Terminators count as 2 models

Obliterators and summon daemon cannot be transported

 

The Corrupter Cannon has the following profile:

Range: Template Str:7 AP:3

 

So what do you think?

[minigun762]

Don't do Hurricane Bolters, if you're going to try to make something unique, go all the way.

I'd used either Reaper AutoCannons or Havoc Launchers instead.

The Corruptor Cannons sounds cool, but it reminds me alot of the Pus Cannon from the Plague Baneblade variant or the new Redeemer's weapons.

Maybe something not template based, instead try either a large blast (but not ordnance) that ignore's cover? Or maybe replace the forward gun with some kind of ramming device, like a super chainsaw or Defiler's DCCW.

[Sons of Horus]

keep it shooty ;) if you want anti-infantry power don't use hurricane bolters, use twin-linked reaper autocannons ;) the corruption thingy is cool.

[BrassClaw]

Aren't twin-linked reaper autocannons silly? seeing that they are just twin-linked autocannons by themselves?

 

Hmmm you guys don't seem to like Hurricane bolters.....

 

What about Havoc Pods? Count as two havoc launchers

[djkest]

Havoc launchers are freakin' sweet. I'd dig Havoc launcher side sponsons. Reaper autocannon for the hull mounted gun would be okay. Personally though, I'd like multi-melta side sponsons, but I dont' think I can have that.

[Nehekhare]

I'd like to see a hurricane-style sponson with special weapons instead of bolters, like 3 TL plasmaguns or flamers...or something like one big nasty flamer template (chaos wind) from it's maw/front ramp.

 

3 havoc launchers and a reaper would be quite devastating against light armored troops, though (and could be fired on the move)...nice :)

[Cale]

Havoc launchers still suffer from being Primary Weapons. Hurricaine Bolters do not. all in all, I'd prefer the Hurricaine bolters.

 

Also, a Tempate weapon off the front of the tank seems like a bad call, since the weapon mount itself is located so far back from the actual front of the tank. It'd be almost impossible to use it effectively.

[davidren2401]

Havoc launchers still suffer from being Primary Weapons. Hurricaine Bolters do not. all in all, I'd prefer the Hurricaine bolters.

 

Also, a Tempate weapon off the front of the tank seems like a bad call, since the weapon mount itself is located so far back from the actual front of the tank. It'd be almost impossible to use it effectively.

 

I agree. Change so it functions like an IG inferno cannon (ie. It is a template weapon but instead of the nozel of the gun you roll to hit as normal and the template bursts out the back of the first model hit by it)

[Seahawk]

Instead of twin-linked reaper autocannons, just have four reaper autocannons, two per sponson. That's doable, and throws out some nasty S7 dakka. But if you wanted it to be more effective for transporting, I'd go with the bolters or something like that. 4 Frag missile launchers, perhaps? That's comfortably S4, even if it is blast.

[davidren2401]

Hang on a tick. Transport capacity 16!? I under stand why you would want that, being a khorne player you want transport for your fluffy 8-man khorne terminator squad, but jez 16!? I can't see that flying. My suggestion for a chaos landraider would be this: Infernal Divice, 10 points, If the raider moved over 6" in the movement phase it counts as having moved 6 for the purposes of shooting. If it moves up to 6" it counts as staitionary.

[BrassClaw]

FA:14 SA:14 RA:14 BS4 Cost:250

Unit Type

Tank

 

Wargear

2 Havoc Pods

1 Corrupter cannon

Smoke Launchers

Searchlight

 

Special Rules

Assault Vehicle

 

Transport

16 Models

Terminators count as 2 models

Obliterators and summon daemon cannot be transported

 

The Corrupter Cannon has the following profile:

Range: 18" Str:4 AP:4 heavy 1 Template

 

When firing the Corrupter cannon, place the template over the unit you wish to target. Then roll to hit once, if you hit, all models under the template are hit. if a miss is rolled, then models are hit on a 4+.

 

Havco Pods fire as two havoc lanchers

[CelestialSon]

Give it 3 reaper auto cannons and a havok and drop the price to 180, that's chaos.

[the jeske]

ah and who would take predators then ?

[walpurgisnacht]

anybody who didn't want the point sink in a LR.

Seriously, it is a great tank. And I like tanky armies. But, I don't know if I would call it Khorney :)

Bad joke. The LR is great for armor, but I think that to justify it's use you would have to put an expensive unit

in it for the battle. A 8 man Chaos Termie unit for example. Let's see...I'll just back these guys up with a weak lord and

undermanned troop squads. How can I lose?

Easily. Undergunned, outmanned, overconfidence in dice rolls. Wow. That's like the chaos/loyalist marine calling card.

With most nube commanders anyway, IMHO.

I believe that anything is possible, but question the practicality.

[CelestialSon]

ah and who would take predators then ?

 

To be honest, i don't see preds in CSMs all that often, they don't seem point effective. I'm not going to browbeat about my 3 reaper 180pt idea, but i will agree that 1 LR for CSMs is too few when SMs have 3 standard variants and like 4 from forgeworld/apoc. In the same vein as just about everything in CSMs being a little worse than SMs but cheaper, a cheaper, non lascannon LR is in order. You could say they were a mass produced LR model in the days after the capture of Mars. Or it could be a model of Lr that was only produced on one forge world that was sacked by the traitor legions.

 

It's not that the standard LR is that bad. I use one in any game of 1200 points or more.

[the jeske]

You could say they were a mass produced LR model in the days after the capture of Mars

the lascanon one was the only one that was produced pre heresy , all other models are later .

Or it could be a model of Lr that was only produced on one forge world that was sacked by the traitor legions.

if a FW would try to produce a LR based on non STD , it would be purged by the ad mech [thats post heresy] . if the patern would be known pre heresy mars would have a copy of it. the only gear that was lost durning the heresy were the jump pack designs used by the pre heresy legions .

[CelestialSon]

I'm not sure that's true. There are, after all, unique patterns of leman russ tank produced exclussively on single forge worlds. And i think the after mars was captured thing is far more likely, being in the same trend of the mk5 armor being an improvised model rushed to production. It's imaginable that the LR model was rushed to meet the needs of the seige of terra, used reaper auto cannons which were easier to produce and more reliable than lascannons, and put into the field before their machine spirit had time to either be "installed" or "mature". This explains cheap, numerous and low tech.

[the jeske]

It's imaginable that the LR model was rushed to meet the needs of the seige of terra,

corrupted or loyalist ad mech that wouldnt happen . for them there is no "lets build the tank without the machine spirit" , they dont think like that . for them a LR that isnt true to the patern isnt a LR at all . as the mk5 armor goes it wasnt rushed it was a variation of an armor type that was already tested and ready to sent the legions . thats why loyalists could get more then a few of those from mars.

 

+ the nearest forge world that made LR durning the heresy was far far away [and mars was in a state of constant civil war] and partlly destroyed by chaos forces.

 

There are, after all, unique patterns of leman russ tank produced exclussively on single forge worlds.

and which one would it be ?

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

Dump the hurricane bolters and the havoc launchers, replace them with T/L Inferno Heavy Bolters; Str 5 AP3 Heavy 3. Something Tzeentchy and definitely Chaos exclusive to throw into the mix. :P

[CelestialSon]

It's imaginable that the LR model was rushed to meet the needs of the seige of terra,

corrupted or loyalist ad mech that wouldnt happen . for them there is no "lets build the tank without the machine spirit" , they dont think like that . for them a LR that isnt true to the patern isnt a LR at all . as the mk5 armor goes it wasnt rushed it was a variation of an armor type that was already tested and ready to sent the legions . thats why loyalists could get more then a few of those from mars.

 

+ the nearest forge world that made LR durning the heresy was far far away [and mars was in a state of constant civil war] and partlly destroyed by chaos forces.

 

There are, after all, unique patterns of leman russ tank produced exclussively on single forge worlds.

and which one would it be ?

 

My point with the rushed LR design is that they set the trend of ad mech being able to create new designs on the fly. LR helios, terminus ultra, aries and crusader all have a background of being improvised to fill a need. I understand that the ad mech holds tech sacred their designs, but there are any number of sources that contradict this. Add to this abbadon initiating the defiler construction program with the dark ad mech. It just goes to show that nothing in the ad mech is really set in stone, as much as they say otherwise.

 

As for mkV armor, it was never truly designed for general issue. It was created BECAUSE of the conditions created by the loss of Mars, again proving ad mech can say "Hey, we gotta bunch of old junk sitting around. Why don't we use that?"

 

And for unique lemans, the executioner is stated as being produced only on ryza

[the jeske]

LR helios, terminus ultra, aries and crusader all have a background of being improvised to fill a need.

most of those were battle modifications made by tech marines /iron priests and it took some time before they were given an ok from the as mech to produce , even to this day the crusader is mostlly a modification of existing LR , then actuall new LR produced .

And for unique lemans, the executioner is stated as being produced only on ryza

thats IA stuff , so non canon .

[Sons of Horus]

let's not use hurricane bolters because they aren't very chaosy. stick with havoc missiles and reaper autocannons and maybe some template weapons.

[Sheff]

let's not use hurricane bolters because they aren't very chaosy. stick with havoc missiles and reaper autocannons and maybe some template weapons.

 

You could just call them sponson mounted combi-bolters, those are definitely chaosy.

[the jeske]

yes , but the idea of mouting any kind of bolters on LR aint .

 

now stuff that could be chaos . bigger transports [16 man or/and stuff like that] , old pre heresy arments [plasma blast guns etc ].

[CelestialSon]

Ok, so we're splitting hairs.

 

 

There's a big difference in hurricane bolters and 3 combi bolters, especially as far as the damage chart is concerned. Hurricane bolters count as one weapon, 3 combi bolters... not so much.

 

Maybe a prometheus type is in order, just heavy bolters