Justifying a Daemon Prince

[the jeske]

Jeske, thinking that using a 'counts as' vidicator to deny you time in a tournament is bordering on paranoia

why its legal and its not like staling is a new thing that started with the 5th ed .

 

 

 

 

Still, fielding a monstrous daemon spawn counting as a DP is a very good show of creativity anyway. Anyone who does this deserves praise.

why ? because he can buy FW models ??? or did you sculpt your spawn yourself , then kudos to you.

However, the current internet trend to find the most optimized army build ASAP and then digitally rule out everything else as more or less “unplayable” does not really further diversity in lists either, methinks.

well its not my foult that there is one army build out of the chaos dex we have now .

before to know how the chaos wors you had to play one time against DG/AL , one time against a demon bomb, one time against IW , one time khorn BL . After that you could more or less know how stuff works [what didnt mean you couldnt get surprised by a different build or some unortodox , but working army] . Right now you play against BL and know how 90% of all chaos list work . If you play against a zerker build , you have the diveregent lists covered[not that a 4 zerker list plays a lot different then a BL one with 2 units of zerkers , but still there is some change in game play].

does is suck ? yeah . can we do something about it ? no .

 

I'm a hobbyist, not a tournament player so if someone insisted that I replace a model with the 'correct' one for LOS purposes I'd consider it very bad sportsmanship.

but thats what the rules say . if there is any problems with drawing LoS due to conversions , sceninc bases etc you have to plop a legal model and check it . thats unless your opponent says he doesnt care , but when your playing for an army deal you want to flog or cash people stranglly seem to care very much about rules.

Would you seriously be unhappy if that was on the table at a tournament, just beacause the LOS is different?

nope . model is huge better to shot at it . but I have seen my fair share of demon princes on normal DP bases represented by chaos familars or swarms or nurglings [the nurglins were really cool for each wound you could removed some of them like wound counters] .

[Brother Vader]

Yeah, using a familiar as a DP is dirty and very unsportsmanlike, but that nurgling idea is nice. I think if you have players using extreme conversions then you may get some of the problems you point out, but thankfully most players aren't like that. Most make their stuff bigger, more impressive and therefore easier to shoot.

I'd forgotten about the FW models, they would make great DPs. Good idea Jeske. lol

[Zeller]

I use my DP when facing Nids to counter their MC. Other than that I too have an issue fielding a DP in smaller games from a fluff standpoint. That is why I field my Sorc in small games, 500-750, Termy lord in 750+, and my DP in 3000 or more. I think it makes more sense for such a unique and powerful individual to command an army, not a strike force.

[Brother Vader]

You could say the same thing about the Termi lord. 750pts isn't exactly a big army for such a powerful individual. But, where you draw the line is totally up to the player and the fluff surrounding their army. The thing is though, your character may be commanding a massive army, but the bit you're playing is just one part of a bigger battle. You and your opponent are playing out the story of that bit of the battle, the rest of it rages on beyond the edges of your table. It's exactly the same in all Sci-fi and Fantasy, not just games. The Lord of the Rings tells the story of the Heroes and focuses on their bits of the battle mostly. When you read a comic or watch a film like Xmen or a show like Heroes it's all superheroes versus supervillans. All these improbable and rare beings come together for a rumble. It's no different when you play 40K. Another poster made a point about how rare space marines actually are in the 40K universe. That doesn't stop people using them though.

There is nothing wrong fluffwise in using DPs in smaller games, after all, in one of the greatest films ever made, The Excorcist, 2 priests have a fight with Satan. 2 Chaplains versus Daemon Prince is a pretty small game of 40K.

[the jeske]

I think if you have players using extreme conversions then you may get some of the problems you point out, but thankfully most players aren't like that

oh the "DP" was really cool its was nurglings hanging around an outhouse . I hope thats what its called :rolleyes: to make it more clear inside there was nurgling with a newspaper doing his thing , so to say . one group was infront the other one on a small platform and 3 were on the roof . + the guy is a nutter sculptor , most of the nurglings were home made [and uber ] . I learned a lot from him about sculpting faces [well male ones , I have no idea how to sculpt females . at least realistical ones ]

 

the familiars weren't that bad too . they had a nice skull mound and there was 5 of them there forming a pentagram with green stuff blood on copper wire between them forming the shape of the pentagram[that was part of the diorman] and a warrior familiar in the middle [the DP body to which you techniclly check LoS ] .

 

Or maybe I just had a bad weekend . 2 tournaments and out of 8 games 3 were against "counts as" armies . with one runing bretonian horses as rhinos , lobbas as siege dreads etc . I mean the khan was a plastic horse without a head , all legal thanks to GW . almost made me want to switch to a WM/Horde tournament , but I already paid entry and my wife wanted a box of the new demonetts to chop up , so I didnt have a choice .

[Brother Vader]

Yeah, it's called an outhouse :yes:

They sound like cool conversions, but the brettonian stuff and lobbers isn't proper fluffy 'counts as', that just being cheap and lazy. That's not GWs fault though, 'counts as' was never, ever intended that way. That's the fault of the tournament organisers who should be ashamed.

[Jarulek]

Yeah, it's called an outhouse :yes:

They sound like cool conversions, but the brettonian stuff and lobbers isn't proper fluffy 'counts as', that just being cheap and lazy. That's not GWs fault though, 'counts as' was never, ever intended that way. That's the fault of the tournament organisers who should be ashamed.

 

I bet GW never ever intented people to use cheesy lists with two DP's, but people do.

[Brother Vader]

Of course they intended it, or DPs would be a 0-1 option. ;)

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

Of course they intended it, or DPs would be a 0-1 option. :)

 

Couldn't have been an oversight... I mean they totally considered two Lashes...

 

Oh wait, that was a major 'oh snap' moment for them in an interview.

 

So much for trusting GW. :P