ICs in CC

[SDarmy]

dunno if this is the right place but ill ask anyways.

ICs in CC. if they are attached to a unit and asault they have to be in base contact with the opposing unit to fight. I understand they can be targeted by any of the opposing unit that are within 2". now if you get asaulted with this same unit can the opposing unit still target your IC with any models within 2" as long as one model is in base contact with your IC?

 

second Question. A unit without "know no fear" gets shot up and looses over 50% , fails there moral test and Falls back. since this unit is below 50% It cant regroup ? will this unit just continue to fall back till it hits the table edge and is destroyed?

[Toogeloo]

Well, rules for ICs in assault make it simple. When you assault something with an IC or if you are being assaulted and your squad has an IC, the IC has to charge first during the reactions. So you assault and move the closest model into base to base, then you move your IC next making every attempt to get into base to base as well. When you are assaulted, you respond with the IC first and make every effort to get into base to base contact. Now if the IC is in a retinue, he/she can't be singles out, but if it is not a retinue, then they can be singled out and anything within 2" of the based models can attack. In 5th edition, so long as models started the fight in base to base, they can fight even if they go on initiative 1 and their kill zone is cleared.

 

As far as the second question goes... if you have no way of making the models fearless while falling back (ala Sisters of Battle), and if they don't have the special rule "And they shall know no fear...", and they are under 50%... kiss them goodbye.

[Captain Antonius]

Sisters can burn a faith point and become fearless and automatically regroup even below half strength and enemy units within six inches. But if you're out of faith points, you can, as stated earlier, kiss them goodbye.

[popper]

the 5th edition rules state that any model with 2'' of a model in its unit that is in base contact with the enemy can fight.

[Morticon]

SD Army.

 

Two things to remember-

 

1: anyone in base to base with your IC and

2: anyone within 2" of that guy that is in base to base with your IC can attack him .

 

This is a marked change from 4th ed, where models that were in 2" engagement range with an IC, but were in base to base with another model had to attack the model they were in base to base with. Because of this small change, some players may still be playing old 4th ed style.

[Reglor]

SD Army.

 

Two things to remember-

 

1: anyone in base to base with your IC and

2: anyone within 2" of that guy that is in base to base with your IC can attack him .

 

This is a marked change from 4th ed, where models that were in 2" engagement range with an IC, but were in base to base with another model had to attack the model they were in base to base with. Because of this small change, some players may still be playing old 4th ed style.

 

They have changed it back to that.

 

Errata

Page 41 – Multiple Combats, Attacking.

A third bullet point should be added, as follows:

• Models that at the beginning of the combat

(before any model attacked) were engaged with

more than one enemy unit, but were in base

contact with just one of the enemy units, must

attack that unit.

 

remember that unless the IC is with a retinue, he counts as a seperate unit.

[rekrulcinam]

Well, rules for ICs in assault make it simple. When you assault something with an IC or if you are being assaulted and your squad has an IC, the IC has to charge first during the reactions.

 

Actually, Toogeloo, you are subtely incorrect.

 

Pg. 49, BRB, under INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS & ASSAULTS:

If a unit that has been joined by an independent character assaults into close combat, the character assaults too, as it is part of the unit.

It says nothing in this paragraph about having to move the IC first. As such, you go with the basic rules for assaulting. If the IC happens to be the closest model to the closest enemy model, then he would have to assault first, per the rules of assaulting. That's why it's better to make sure that your IC is NOT the closest model at the beginning of the assault phase.

 

When a unit is reacting to being assaulted, or making a pile-in move, independent characters that have joined the unit must move before other friendly models...

Here's the part where it says you have to move the IC first. But it is specifically talking about you being assaulted, not you assaulting.

 

As to the specific rules as to who fights who, it is discussed in great detail on Pg. 35, under WHO CAN FIGHT?

 

Suffice it to say, however, that you have to fight whoever you are in base to base contact with. The only time you get to choose, is if the model is withing 2" of a model that is in base to base with an enemy model. This is not an all-incluse explaination, however. Just an abbreviated version.