Any 40K Daemon FAQ yet?

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

Is there a FAQ for the 40K daemons yet? I tried looking into the pit that is GW website, but after the third time crashing I gave up. Easier to look into the black hole of Calcutta than that website.

 

I know theres one for fantasy daemons, but have the 40K equivalent been dealt with yet?

[Brother Nihm]

No not yet.

[Wolf89]

Nothing that really needs adressing honestly, they did a really good job at lowering the amount of "speculation" involved in this one.

 

Granted it still worries me that they don't bring out an FAQ, almost like they don't care. :P

[OwlandMoonGuy]

Oh, there’s a few issues that need to be addressed:

 

Is Kanarak an Elite or a Fast Attack choice when upgrading a Flesh Hound squad?

 

Does the Changeling’s power affect all shooting within 24” or only one unit per enemy shooting phase?

 

Are all Nurgling bases created by Ku’gath considered a single unit each and therefore worth a Kill Point each in Annihilation missions?

 

That and typical RAW interpretation questions that really don’t need a FAQ but are good to have in there as well.

 

-OMG

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

Karanak will be fast attack as he is an upgrade to an existing fast attack unit.

 

Not sure why you think he would be elite?

[OwlandMoonGuy]

Read his description on pg. 55 of C:CD: Under Unit Type; "Karanak is always fielded with a unit of Flesh Hounds, picked as a normal Elites choice."

 

It's most likely a typo. -OMG

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

Read his description on pg. 55 of C:CD: Under Unit Type; "Karanak is always fielded with a unit of Flesh Hounds, picked as a normal Elites choice."

 

It's most likely a typo. -OMG

 

 

Typo is a sound bet. The rest of the characters keep the units in the same force org category.

[Captain Malachi]

It's definately a typo, but unfortunately that won't stop some RAW tourny player screwing you over because of it.

[eyescrossed]

How can you mistakenly type Elites instead of Fast Attack?

I can just imagine the person typing it; "...as a normal Elites choice" Guy looks at screen blankly (Very much like an Ork) "Dere's sumtin' not kwite roight 'ere..."

[OwlandMoonGuy]

Unfortunately, this could be interpreted as: Normal unit of Flesh Hounds = takes a Fast slot; Unit of Flesh Hounds + Kanarak = takes an Elite slot.

 

The problem is definitely due to bad editing one way or the other. Hopefully the FAQ will address it so it won't be an in issue (for those of you daemon player who like these units that is).

 

-OMG

[eyescrossed]

Yeah, but if it IS an Elites choice when you take Karanak, it won't be worth taking him.

[Lode]

Oh, there’s a few issues that need to be addressed:

 

Is Kanarak an Elite or a Fast Attack choice when upgrading a Flesh Hound squad?

 

They're not Elite, it's a erroneous leftover from when they were still tinkering with the Chaos Daemon Codex and at some point Flesh Hounds were Elite.

 

Does the Changeling’s power affect all shooting within 24” or only one unit per enemy shooting phase?

 

Only one. It's 5 points for a reason. the "any" doesn't meant "every" or "all", it means you can pick any one of your choice.

 

Are all Nurgling bases created by Ku’gath considered a single unit each and therefore worth a Kill Point each in Annihilation missions?

 

Yes. They're not forming a unit with Ku'Gath, they're not forming a unit with other Nurglings bases, they just appear as individual units and as such are worth 1 KP each.

[Captain Malachi]

Lode, you're correct, that is exactly what was intended, however it isn't exactly what the rules say, the changeling can use it every time an enemy shoots, and I believe that karanak does infact make flesh hounds elite when you take him, this is ofcourse RAW taken to the extreme, but that's how tounies are played.

 

Reason or edit- Typo.

[Lode]

Lode, you're correct, that is exactly what was intended, however it isn't exactly what the rules say, the changeling can use it every time an enemy shoots, and I believe that karanak does infact make flesh hounds elite when you take him, this is ofcourse RAW taken to the extreme, but that's how tounies are played.

 

Reason or edit- Typo.

 

I never read the Changeling power to mean anything else than a single target. If there's 3 apples on a table and someone tells you "Pick any apple that is visible", will you take all 3? I mean, I'm not saying you would, just that it seems kinda obvious to me and I really don't understand all the powergamers trying to advance the "affects all enemy units in range" agenda. In all the description of the Glamour of Tzeentch, it's referred as a singular "power", and there's no mention of using it more than once a phase, and really it's basically like a weird ranged weapon that is used in the opponent Shooting phase instead. Doesn't it say somewhere to treat daemon powers as weapons anyway? That would mean only one shot. Anyway, sure, I hope there'll be a clarification, so the ones that can't read it right can finally play it right.

 

As for Karanak, in his "Unit Type" section, it uses the same type of sentence than in the Changeling's "Unit Type" section. If you look there, it says the Changeling is only an update to one of the models in this unit, nothing more. Karanak is the same. It says that the Flesh Hound unit is taken as an Elite choice (which can never happen), not that Karanak makes the unit an Elite choice. So even there, RAW doesn't tell you to change the unit type, it says Karanak is an upgrade to a current Flesh Hound unit, which can only be taken as a Fast Attack choice regardless of what that section tells you. (besides, it obvious it's an error, you know, like the MANY errors in the reference sheets in the Rulebook. Did you actually played with people who argued that the reference sheet took precedence on the real stats or played with the mess that's in there? Well I hope not. :) ) It's unfortunate that they didn't catch up all the errors, of course...

 

Bah, anyway, you said I'm correct, so I should just be content with that and stop typing now :D

[Wolf Lord Fenrir]

How many shooting attacks does a unit of horrors have? 1 per horror or 1 per unit?

[Captain Malachi]

I never read the Changeling power to mean anything else than a single target.

 

Neither did I until a few days ago, but unfortunately it appears to me to be rather unclear, shame really, of course I would never play someone who used it more than once and certainly wouldn't do it myself, but you don't really get that luxury in tournies.

[OwlandMoonGuy]

It’s unfortunate but often times GW rules are just one word short of clarity. Since, any can be either singular or plural it could mean any, as in all or any as in just one. In context, it’s used as an adjective in this case, modifying the singular noun, unit. Therefore we conclude that it only affects one enemy unit not any within 24” and LoS of the Changeling (as opposed to any unit outside that criteria).

 

If they has just said, “Any one enemy unit…” or “Once per enemy shooting phase…” then there’s no room for misinterpretation.

 

From the battle reports I read online it seems like the plural interpretation is used commonly.

 

Here’s hoping that FAQ comes along and closes the book on this issue as well.

 

-OMG

[Lode]

Well yeah, that makes me think about how many people I see in the battle reports that deepstrike their 3 Flamers of Tzeentch in a line instead of in a triangle like they should... that's pretty widespread too. :)