LPetersson Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 In a recent post some wolfbrothers seemed to put BCs into an LR... According to the Codex I have, BCs can only get Rhinos as transports. But what if you attach your Wolf Lord to them? Presumably the WL is senior enough to get a Land Raider. Any thoughts? I will probably give this a try next time I play... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Land Raiders can be purchased under our heavy support column. As such, you can put anything you want in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hmm, I see your point. I just can't help but think that since the Codex states that BCs don't get razorbacks because they aren'tsenior enough, I would've thought a Land Raider would be out of their league as well... The Grey Hunters entry only lists Rhino and Razorbacks as transport options whereas the Long Fangs entry mention Land Raiders... Hmm, oh well, I like the argument and will use it in my next battle... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roon Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Blood Claws can't buy a Land Raide (Crusader/Redeemer) as dedicated transport, only a Rhino. But since the Land Raider can be bought as a seperate HQ choice, it is capable of transporting a group of BC's along the board. It's just that they are seperatly deployed. And with the new transport rules and dedicated transports you can drive around with them perfectly. An empty Rhino or Razorback that is dedicated to Grey Hunters or Long Fangs can give the Blood Claws a ride if they fit in. Just remember that models in Terminator armour are still only capable of riding in a Land Raider (Crusader/Redeemer). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hmm, I see your point. I just can't help but think that since the Codex states that BCs don't get razorbacks because they aren'tsenior enough, I would've thought a Land Raider would be out of their league as well... As Roon explained that's how the things work. As for the reason behind BC's not having razorbacks as dedicated options it's because their squad size is 8 minimum, the capacity of a razorback is 6, this has nothing to do with seniority. A land raider for BC's is more seniority over a measly razorback. :P A land raider crusader is probably your best bet, it gives the abundant space you need for all your BC's, as well as any IC's and such you'd want to attach. It also is useful when transporting large WGBG squads, such as 7 WGBG and a WGBL... that's 4 heavy weapons when they come out of a land raider crusader already shooting... imagine like Omar's drop pod unit, but add in 4 fenrisian wolves.. that's 3 WGBG in TDA with a heavy weapon, a WGBL in TDA with heavy weapon (8 spots taken up, 8 left), 4 WGBG in PA with combi-s (plasma/melta are nice), then 4 fenrisian wolves... you've just used up all 16 spots, and have a unit that WILL kill whatever they shoot at when they pop out... and if not, then they better pray they're out of assault range. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 This all makes great sense, thanks all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I get that BCs can ride in a LR, but Do they have to start the game outside of the LR then jump in on turn 1 or can they come on the board inside the thing. For example Dawn of War roll. let's say I only have two troops choices in my list. I would have to put the BC on the table and then the LR would came on at the start of turn 1 and have the option to stop and pick them up. they can not start on the board with the LR. So even if I fully deply. The only unit that can start in the LR would be a HQ and it's Retinue. If the HQ joins a BC or GH pack, that pack would have to start deployed outside of the LR, leaving only the HQ inside until the start of turn 1. 1. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 They can quite happily deploy inside the Raider. Or come on it if your reserves rolls go to plan. Trust me - 14 BC's, 2x Fist, 1 Power Weapon, 1 Flamer, Pack Leader with weapon of choice + HQ of some kind in a LRC = Lot's of dead enemies. In the region of 40 normal attacks, 6-10 Power fist attacks, 4-8 Power Weapon attacks, then maybe another 5-6 S5 attacks from the IC. Even a full squad of Boyz would be hard pressed to survive that little lot. Oh, and the Crusader can cause havoc too <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hmmm, I'm tempted by this at the moment: Ragnar Blackmane Wolfguard Battle Leader Lightning Claws, Terminator Armour, Wolfpelt 10x Grey Hunters Bolter , 2x Power Axes, 2x Plasma Pistol 14x Blood Claws 3x Power Weapons Wolf Guard, Lightning Claws, Terminator Armour, Wolfpelt 14x Blood Claws 3x Power Weapons Land Raider Land Raider Crusader Total 1499 Ragnar with GH in LR. WGBL with BCs in LR and the rest pounding across the field behind the LRs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yeah, it does suck though that BC rhinos are the only thing that cant pick up other squads though. Ohwell, better than the IG nerf. You should drop the detailed costs off that list man... As for the list itself.... well you certainly do have a pair of effective assault forces. 2 Landraiders in 1500pts is to much for me though, and Id switch out those BC's for a pack of shooty grey hunters. Im also not a fan of Ragnar, though I cant argue that hes effective for his points. Best of luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 WGPL cannot have TDA and lead Blood Claws. Also, you can't post individual pts values for things - infringes GW rules et al - so get rid of it quick! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 WGPL cannot have TDA and lead Blood Claws. Also, you can't post individual pts values for things - infringes GW rules et al - so get rid of it quick! Ahh, didn't realise that, sorry... **Goes back to look at forum guidelines** Hmm, back to the drawing board for the WGPLs then... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WG Vrox Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Just give him a SS/PW and WP cheap and very effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Am I mistaken is saying that he can't take Lord Ragnar? I thought Lord Ragnar was the 1500pt HQ (well not the ONLY one but the 1500pt special character), which as I understand it means your army has to be AT or ABOVE the 1500+ point limit for you to take him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Am I mistaken is saying that he can't take Lord Ragnar? I thought Lord Ragnar was the 1500pt HQ (well not the ONLY one but the 1500pt special character), which as I understand it means your army has to be AT or ABOVE the 1500+ point limit for you to take him. Yup, that's correct, but I was going to pad it out to be 1500 on the button... Although I'm reasonably certain the guys I play with would agree that it's the points you've agreed on, i.e. 1500, that counts rather than whether you're at 1499 or 1500... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1775959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyInDeath Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Honestly, if you are going to have GH's in a LR led by Ragnar, drop the bolters for BP/CCW and give them plasma pistols, and a couple PF's. Ragnar would have his fair share of early hitting PW goodness, use the PF's to pop anything big or armored, and the PP's will weed out a few bodies before the charge. Plus, this way, you will also have your GH's getting 4 attacks on the charge ^_^ (1 base, 2 for charging with ragnar, 1 for 2 ccw's), and 3 attacks for each PF on the charge or counter charge. I personally wouldnt field 2 LR's in a 1500 pt game, however i've faced a BT list that had 3 crusaders at 1500 pts (from a guy who wanted to play a "friendly" pickup game) and was very very hard pressed to even pull out a draw there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152413-blood-claws-in-a-landraider/#findComment-1776071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.