Badaboom Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The other day I read some non-official description of the C´Tan Necrodermis, and it was quite similar to the usual description of the silver hands of Ferrus Manus, do you think that there could be a link there? I think it´d be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssKnight Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Well, Ferrus Manus got his silver hands while fighting a Silver Wyrm. The only way he could figure to beat it was to wrestle it down and hold it into a magma flow. When he withdrew his hands, they had become living metal. I have seen conjecture before that the Silver Wyrm was a Necrontyr construct, thus making Ferrus' hands necrodermis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1777089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focslain Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 AbyssKnight has it on the money. Rumour has it that the Silver Wyrm was a Necron creation (Possibly a c'tan itself, but that might be stretching it) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1777176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 there are speculations that asirnoth the great wyrm was a C'tan construct or even the void dragon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1777571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan_smith Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 It's even mentioned, in Fulgrim, that Ferrus was able to forge weapons and the such just by using his hands. For example, he apparently made a custom gun for Vulkan but he didn't accept because he felt uneasy that it had been forged by unnatural ways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1778633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 There's an Ultramarine Sgt that receives a new hand thats described in much the same fashion when he got his real hand cut off by the Nightbringer. Of course, that hand got cut off and its now on a Iron Warrior last time I read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1778641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherZaah Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 You refer of course to Uriel "Indestructible" Ventris's sidekick: Lysane "I'm along for the ride" Pasanius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1779557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Yea....Pasanius is a weirdo now. Necron arm, cuts himself, gigantic enough to have to have mishmash Power/Terminator Armor. Strange Ultramarine... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1779568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Yea....Pasanius is a weirdo now.Necron arm, cuts himself, gigantic enough to have to have mishmash Power/Terminator Armor. Strange Ultramarine... Heh, that just put me off EVER reading the Ultramarines series... As for Manus' hands, there is plenty of room for it NOT to be Necron. Medusa was, in the past, a heavily industrialised planet with some very advanced robotics in use. It's not completely unbelievable that a branch of humanity could have managed "living metal". There's also the idea that Asirnoth was not living metal in the first place, just a robotic dragon, and that fusion with a primarch's flesh caused the alloys to "live"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1780066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 You're not missing too much. The book contains less Ultramarineishness than my glass of water.... ........which ironically now that I think about it, a glass of water does sort of technically have a bit of.... but you see my point.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1780220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I'd say it's a C'tan construct, but probably not a C'tan of any sort (we were down to four according to fluff by the time Ferrus rolled around) and most definitely not the Void Dragon. Perhaps one of his outrider or scout constructs, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1780253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I dunno. It coulda been a C'Tan as we now know them. They apparently aren't that hard to destroy Necrodermiswise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1780307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 The Void Dragon's activities pre-internment on Mars are touched on in Mechanicum. Unless The Emperor has messed up, the silver serpent isn't the Dragon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1780818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 The Ultramarine's Omnibus is actually pretty decent. I dug the last story. Forget the title unfortunately. The dynamic duo end up in the Eye of Terror during a war between two rival Iron Warrior factions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1783558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dead Sky, Black Sun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1783598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 As for Manus' hands, there is plenty of room for it NOT to be Necron. Medusa was, in the past, a heavily industrialised planet with some very advanced robotics in use. It's not completely unbelievable that a branch of humanity could have managed "living metal". Read the book Iron Hands, at the start Gdolkin (stories hero & future Iron Father) fights, to all intents and purposes, a Necron Wraith as he's wandering across Medusa to be selected to join the chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1789899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 That's the bit I'm referring to. You only have a description of the robot and its purpose, not its origin. On top of that, the books is goddam awful. (there's also the whole "what is and isn't canon from the Black Library" can of worms)... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1794717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattMatt39 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hmm I thought that was a servitor? As for the hands- there is speculation that they were from a C'tan construct yes- but Games Workshop have stated that the necron codex was mostly unwritten when index astartes (the first book to mention the hands) was released But its all good fun to come up with your own backstory about it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1796041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favoured of the Emperor Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 As Medusa was industrial, it would not have been hard to create living metal. We basically have living metal now; artificial sensory/motor neurons and "smart alloys" (for those who don't know, these are alooys of metals, usually titanium and nickel, that can return to their original shape under pressure or heat). For the void dragon theory, it may have been, as Kaptin Badrukk (Ork Freeboota captain) managed to kill the void whale. FOE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1796230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Noooo.....Living Metal is far outside the capabilities of the Imperium to produce (and ours), and a void whale has nothing to do with the Void Dragon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1796249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 We're talking pre-imperium here though... those guys were lunacy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1797153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favoured of the Emperor Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 It depends on what you mean by living metal. Metal can never be alive in the truest sense (it does not, never has and never will move, reproduce, be sesnitive, grow, respire, evolve or noursih itself. these are the factors of life). But in a fantasy setting, who knows whats possible ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1797460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angronn Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 For living metal, think of the T1000. The Imperium has nothing like that, or anything that resembles that from the STCs. The Necrons were more technologically advanced (at least in a number of ways) than the Old Ones, so don't expect the Imperium to reach those heady heights. I would tend to lean towards the EC's explanation - one of the C'tan "bodies" were killed (and the C'tan energy went back to a tomb world somewhere) leaving necrodermis permanently on Ferrus Manus' hands. The problem is that no C'tan is supposed to be awake at this point (Deceiver and Nightbringer come much later, Void Dragon is on Mars and Outsider has yet to wake). The solution might come from the rumoured retcon, with Necron Lords able to take on the "spirit" of the C'tan (much like the Dawn of War game), which could... just... work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152540-ferrus-manus/#findComment-1801981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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