WG Vrox Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I ran into an Avaiatar of Khan and with nothing else that could hurt it, I wanted to use my Melta Bomb on him. granted I would not get the 2d6, and would only get 1 attack at STR, but better than rolling 6 6. After we spent 15 min looking it up, it was not decisive and we D6'd it, I lost. Has anyone tried this during an official event. WG Vrox. < having trouble getting a rename through. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPanda Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 First of all the Avatar is immune to melta, grenades, guns etc.. Secondly grenades are only used on vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I'm 99% sure you cannot use neither Melta bombs nor grenades against anything other than vehicles. They're only actually mentioned in the vehicle section of the rulebook. It's a moot point anyway, because melta weapons do not work against the Avatar. He's got a special rule that your friend should be able to find somewhere in his codex. It's called Molten Body, and is found on page 24 of the newest Eldar codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 First of all the Avatar is immune to melta, grenades, guns etc.. Secondly grenades are only used on vehicles. /agreed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 this is always something that kinda confused me but i guess it makes the game a little easier. but as every one said non-vehicles are not affected by any form (other then launched) grenades. but that being said, if launching an grenade that is basically what you have on your waist can kill things why not the other? and if a melta bomb can blow through really, really thick doors/armor why aren't infantry hurt by it (assaulting bunkers comes to mind)? all to make the rules easier is the only answer i can come up with, but it would be awesome. (every guard unit would get what ever it could for grenades.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Wasnt there some rules for Ultramarines who could use grenades as weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 in 4th edition the tyrannic war veterans could use krak grenades offensively against opponents in CC. they no longer are playable. wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1779822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 So how do you kill this Avatar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well back in 2nd ed. you had the ability to use grenades (frags even) against enemy units, actually throwing them and using templates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 I didn't, I just held him up with the cost of 8 GHs,. got 1 wound on him after 4 rounds of combat from the PF hitting on 5s wounding on 4s. I will be taking WTN for the PL for now on. I had RP with SS and PL w SS left, Thank Russ for SS or I would have lost the game, instead I won holding 2 objectives and contesting 1 of 3 What messed me up from the beginning is I put my snipers in danger to get line of sight on him during deployment and he rolled a 6 and seized the initiative. I lost the first turn and my scouts died before they saw him again. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelbrechtsSword Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 The Eldar Codex says essentially the Avatar is a Daemon and is affected by weapons and abilities that affect Daemons. I think a Runic weapon might work, i don't think an Avatar is immune to instant death (but don't quote me on it). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 yeah, my first list had a Runic weapon in it, but since he is foot sloggin I figured I could not count on getting him in combat. The guy had the special ablity that I had to roll 3 dice to pass a physic test anyway and that makes the LD 9 a real detriment when the average on 3 dice is 9 and anything 12 and over is perials. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 yeah, my first list had a Runic weapon in it, but since he is foot sloggin I figured I could not count on getting him in combat. The guy had the special ablity that I had to roll 3 dice to pass a physic test anyway and that makes the LD 9 a real detriment when the average on 3 dice is 9 and anything 12 and over is perials. Average on 3 dice is 10.5 not 9 :P so it's even worse. I've always given WTN's to my pack leaders with fists, it's just a no brainer, next time you'll have him for sure. :P I think the whole daemon thing has something to it... maybe he doesn't have eternal warrior and can be insta-killed... too bad we can't take a GKGM... S6 force weapons ignoring eternal warrior... mmm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 yep, your right was doing the 6X3 divided by 2 instead of multipling 3.5 X3. Had not had my first cup of coffee yet.. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Brother Spyrle Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 With powerfists you should have wounded on 2s.... Checks Eldar Codex....yep Toughness 6. Any Space Wolf can wound him on a 6. And he has no protection vs instant death. Not that he isn't a great choice, he is an aspect of the god of war, but he's not as strong or tough as you might expect. (trying not to quote his whole profile) Only the Wraithlords are Toughness 8. Now those require special weapons to take down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 So powerfists might be the way to go? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 Bah he was playing him wrong. Knew something was wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1780922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Yeah, hes got a 2+4++, WS 10, S/T 6, and a meltagun in his sword. Hes scary, but far from unbeatable... wich is why hes so much cheaper than a thirster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1781277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 well he is the best hth MC in the 5th ed . specially with fortune. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1781291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Yeah, hes got a 2+4++, WS 10, S/T 6, and a meltagun in his sword. Hes scary, but far from unbeatable... wich is why hes so much cheaper than a thirster. He has a 3+ armour save. Instead of getting in combat with it you could try shooting it down with Lascannons and such. Its much saver. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1781419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 well he is the best hth MC in the 5th ed . specially with fortune. Not sure I'd agree with that Jeske, he's probably the most points efficient, but definately not the best. As for taking him down, PFs are your friends. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1781471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 well he is the best hth MC in the 5th ed . specially with fortune. Not sure I'd agree with that Jeske, he's probably the most points efficient, but definately not the best. As for taking him down, PFs are your friends. :lol: I agree, the nightbringer IS still the best hth MC in 5th ed... until he goes to apoc... then he'll have to go fist to fist against angrath ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1781536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuzgai Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Checks Eldar Codex....yep Toughness 6. Any Space Wolf can wound him on a 6. And he has no protection vs instant death. His toughness 6 is his protection from instant death - the highest strength of any weapon is 10, you would need strength 12 to cause instant death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1785223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Checks Eldar Codex....yep Toughness 6. Any Space Wolf can wound him on a 6. And he has no protection vs instant death. His toughness 6 is his protection from instant death - the highest strength of any weapon is 10, you would need strength 12 to cause instant death. There are other ways to cause instant death, but I'm not sure the wolves have access to any of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1785227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 our rune weapon can cause instant death, in theory. first you have to wound. wolf lord kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152748-melta-bomb-mb/#findComment-1785453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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