chillin Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Well, according to the Codex almost every warband is a mishmash of various Renegades and Legionnaires. Yes but this "every warband is a mismash of various renegades & legionnaires" is new to this poorly written and poorly concieved codex and it flies in the face of years of established fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I don't see the point of making raptors scoring or troops. They can already be used well without those abilities. And I still don't see how that would make a more fluffy NL force since I doubt super egotistical terror shock troops like raptors would be holding objectives. Really all we need is to bring back some gifts, rework the mark system a little, and allow some veteran skills with non-marked units getting maybe 2 while marked units got 1 and cult troops get none. A simple t allows people to custmize their armies without filling the codex with a bunch of legion builds or making it harder to build legions. you can lso portray renegades well with this list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Heh, loyalist marines already have better and cheaper assault marines ... with sarge who cost 10 points more than basic assault marine [basic AM cost 18]. Their sarge can have decent INV and great close combat weapon options. And they have combat tactics! Downsides: they do not have option to get melta and plasma guns they have to take full squad [10] if they want to take special weapon no marks of chaos only 10 men strong max Want to have good raptors ? use space marine list [as NL do not use MoC anyway]! One thing i dont want to see - return of infamous veteran skills. They were horrible [overpowered]! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bleak Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 So... as much as we've argued about the Night Lords and Raptors, have we reached a verdict on the original question? Would it be plausible (and fluffy) to use troops of the different gods together in one army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Use them if they are used as: As allied force with their own HQ. As mercenary type of unit with champion. It is not plausible to use character with other mark in any unit, nor employing gods who hate each other [khorne-slaanesh / Nurgle - Tzeentch]. As long as you meet those criteria, you're cool :> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 just remember, plausible and legal are two different things. a mix army with all four Marks is plausible, if a bit Abaddonish. Khârn the betrayer leading an All-Slaanesh army is a little less so. Though you could say "he's leading them...to their Doooom!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 They can already be used well without those abilities. yeah as 5 man units with specials , more or less meta choice , but not the base of an army . To make a better example a BA army with 4 RAS is a theamed army that uses space marines, an undivided force with 3x3 terminators with combi weapons is not a good representation of AL "terminators company". As the vet skills , gifts etc goes . You will not get those in the first half of 5th ed [and I think you wont get them in the second half too]. But it is possible to get a NL special character that allows raptors to count as scoring and/or make NL give negative Ld mods to opponent units . Just like I can see a special WB character that lets you take demons with marks or an AL one that gives infiltration or outflank to one unit per army etc . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1782734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuGGzy Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I don't see the point of making raptors scoring or troops. They can already be used well without those abilities. And I still don't see how that would make a more fluffy NL force since I doubt super egotistical terror shock troops like raptors would be holding objectives. Bare in mind I have never played them myself but I painted an army on commission for a friend that was something like 40-50 Raptors and it just looked super badass. Seeing all those squads of jumping evil-ness was just cool. No clue how he divided them but he only had like 1 unit of foot slogging CSMs and a unit of havocs, everything else was raptors, and I think a unit of bikes.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1784547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revmatt Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 So is a force using a unit from each of the God specific legions realistic? I mean it is possible the way the Codex is set up. How would an army list be recieved that was along these lines? 1HQ & Term retinue 10 Noise marines 10 Khorne Beserkers 10 Plague marines 10 thousand sons is it fluffy? is it realistic? is it worth it?! rev Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1785336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 is it fluffy? possible [but then again techniclly everything is possible in w40k world] . is it realistic? not really . aside for some strange convent led by Abbadon I dont see it happen ever . is it worth it?! game play wise it sucks hard . no focus single unit to do stuff , where the whole idea behind w40k is to spam stuff . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1785504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 under undivided general it is possible fluffwise for Black Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1785525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 As said before, this is codex chaos:renegade. Its all about renegade chaos armies, as in, marines that turned to chaos more recently, with a little bit of the old chaos thrown in to try and please the old chaos players (boy did they fail eh?). Now, if the lord had no mark (ie, mark of chaos undivided), then yes, he could use 1 of each "cult" troop choice, and i would consider it fluffy (lord has a big prize/secret, each legion sends him a squad to show that their's is the best blah blah). I used to play a deathguard army list in the previous edition, I loved the sacred number squads getting free champions, and the fact that marks were bought for the squad members as opposed to a squad icon. I'm not a huge fan of these plague marines compaired to the old ones (yes they get FNP, hello mr instant death/weapons), and have pretty much benched them in favor of using a regular marine hoard led by a daemon prince of nurgle. I cant wait until the next book and really hope they sort cult armies out, until then i will be using my chaos as a nurgle led force without plague marines. sorry if i went a bit OT, but, been playing chaos since just before 3rd edition and hate the loss of fluff and character we've lost (in my opinion). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1790322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 As said before, this is codex chaos:renegade. Its all about renegade chaos armies, as in, marines that turned to chaos more recently, with a little bit of the old chaos thrown in to try and please the old chaos players (boy did they fail eh?). recent renegades would have pods stormbolters, multimeltas and plasma cannons. Not to mention LR crusaders and Razorbacks. So it IS NOT codex:renegade space marines. far from it actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1790729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor_wu Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 It actually is somewhere in the middle. It has the old chaos wargear with renegade style organization. This is what it seems like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152751-is-the-black-legion-the-only-one/page/2/#findComment-1791529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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