revmatt Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Hi all, I'm a zealous loyalist. I've collected over 8 sizeable loyalist marine armies in my time, and never ever have been interested in the dark side. Until now. Something, who knows what, has piqued my interest. Particularly NOISE marines (the guns!) and PLAGUE marines (the tough as boots infantry). I've got myself a codex and had a read. I gather that if you're mixing god specific troops then you call yourself a black legion player. I've no interest in painting black or having an army of regular marines (I've got loyalist armies for that) What I do want is to combine 2 smaller armies of 750pts each, one Nurgle one Slaanesh into one larger force of 1500. Each would have its own HQ and array of troops - and form a legal 1500 pt force. My questions are: 1) Is this ok fluffwise? Would it still fall under the black legion banner even with no 'black' or 'black legion' troops in the army? 2) Do you think its a good idea? 3) What might it look like specifically. I'm thinking along the lines of a nurgle manreaper HQ, a few plague marine units and an oblit, then a slaneesh lash HQ, noise marines and an oblit. any thoughts or advie you could give a CSM newcomer would be appreciated. cheers revmatt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 1) it fall under 'allied warbands'. Nurgle-Slaanesh combination is quite ok fluffwise - they do not hate each other. 2) Definitely it's good idea. 3) Oblits should be mercenary type troops. Not aligned with either warband - hired swords. To make this look real. Manreaper is not bad idea, especialy bike one, or transported. Lash is always good - be it dp [sorcerer might be more fitting, but DP is not bad idea either - however it's small warband, and it seems unlikely fluffwise to ascend into daemonhood so fast - but it's your choice]. Advice: mechanized is stronger choice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor The Great Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 You Simply need to consider the following.......... "A Berzerker, a Thousand Son,a Noise Marine and a Plauge Marine walk into a bar...and slughter everyone in the name of Chaos." if you really think about it,then your question will be anwsered Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 "A Berzerker, a Thousand Son,a Noise Marine and a Plauge Marine walk into a bar...and slughter everyone in the name of Chaos." Sigged :) Edit- Oh, yeah, it's a warband, not BL, which is basically a "do what you want, to hell with fluff" excuse, but the best bit is, it is fluffy, great isn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revmatt Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 great isn't it? certainly is - a lot of freedom here! Looking a bit more specifically I'm thinking along these lines: Nurgle Lord, mark, deamonweapon (manreaper) TDA 3 squads of 6 Plague marines, each with 2 plasmag guns 1 Oblit thats 744 pts I make it combined with Slaanesh DP (or sorc?), mark, lash 2 units of 6 noise marines, 1champ doomsiren and pwr wep then 5 sonic blasters 1 unit of 5 noise marines, 1 blastmaster, 4 boltguns. 1 Oblit Its a footslogger I know, but I'm sick of the rhino kit I've built so many I cringe at the thought of more. I'd appreciate thoughts on list variations, though I've tried for 6 scoring units, 3 in each small 750pt half. revmatt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'd try and increase the size of your scoring units personally, and maybe take the nurgle lord out of termie armour, bit of a waste of points really, other than that it's a pretty good list, just put the 2 oblits together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revmatt Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'd try and increase the size of your scoring units personally, and maybe take the nurgle lord out of termie armour, bit of a waste of points really, other than that it's a pretty good list, just put the 2 oblits together. yeh the only reasons hes in terminator armour is so I can use the Typhus model which I like, so don't mind th waste too much! The oblits together? Not better as two seperate units? could you explain for me why? (other than the obvious killpoints issue) thanks! revmatt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 other than the obvious killpoints issue Well as that is the only real issue no I can't :( To be honest though, there aren't many units you can kill off with one oblit, so I'd personally want then shooting at the same unit most of the time anyway. Fair one on the typhus model thoguh, I just assumed you were using the standard lord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
revmatt Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 :) so where do I find fluff on warbands, I can't see it in the dex. is it in there? is there any online warband fluff? rev Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 well there are some cult ones . [a lot of them dead] violators were all slanesh [lost 4 full companies ]. thunder barons were all tzeench [went mad and were destroyed by the WB] . the purge are all nurgle . the only one that isnt following the same god are Hurons corsiars . Most of his army is undivided [or at least they arent "cult "] but on his flag ship there is a part dedicted to khorn were they keep the berzerkers . But for a renegade force the corsiars are huge . they are made out of space marines of more then 4 chapters [+ those sw from thorpe story :) ] fluffwise I cant remember any GW legal non BL force that was made out of more then 1 cult force . there are the black crusades legion forces , but even then if legions fight on the same planet they fight in different battle zones . See before the new dex there was no "happy chaos family". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 A warband is any chapter, or part thereof, that has fallen to chaos, so make up your own fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I gather that if you're mixing god specific troops then you call yourself a black legion player. Speaking as a Black Legion player..........AAAAAAAARRRRRGGG :huh: :jaw: :D :cuss "storms off to find Gav Thorpe and beat him to death with rolled up 4.0 chaos dex" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1782969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Sometimes the Chaos Gods will work together (Maybe against another Chaos god who is stronger at that moment.), Or Maybe the two Warbands are competing for favour, but are also part of a greater host and although the lieutenants (Lords) would like to kill the each other they are kept in check by a greater force who is more than likely undivided and takes the form of a Lord or Daemon Prince. Also remember Nurgle's magic number is 7, while Slaanesh's is 6, while not required it can be fluffy to make units that fit B). In 750pts the armies you will play against will be limited so I would say go something like Slaanesh (HQ, 2 troops, fast attack), then Nurgle (HQ, 2 troops, Heavy Support) for example so in 1,500pts you get everything you want. All depends on your game plan :D and yes... Oblits rock... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1783014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch Naogedd Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I gather that if you're mixing god specific troops then you call yourself a black legion player. Speaking as a Black Legion player..........AAAAAAAARRRRRGGG :unsure: :) :lol: ;) "storms off to find Gav Thorpe and beat him to death with rolled up 4.0 chaos dex" That'd take an awful long time.... Maybe try the 5th Marines 'dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1783385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I gather that if you're mixing god specific troops then you call yourself a black legion player. Speaking as a Black Legion player..........AAAAAAAARRRRRGGG :mellow: :cuss :angry: :cuss "storms off to find Gav Thorpe and beat him to death with rolled up 4.0 chaos dex" That'd take an awful long time.... Maybe try the 5th Marines 'dex? I want it to take a long time :devil: :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1784282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 My warband combines Unaligned Chaos Marines, Slaanesh and Nurgle followers. They want to help an ancient Demon to come to life by finding a suitable body for it to reincarnate. They are led by a number of Chaos Lords and Sorcerers and hack and slay their way through the galaxy to find the suitable demon vessel. On their way, more and more renegades and outlaws join their cause. Even some Fallen (so I can use the kick-ass DA-Bitz). I think that fluffwise, you can very easily explain alliances between different cults by giving them a common goal. Such as an imposing leader (look at Abaddon), some heretic ritual or just the promise of immense slaughter and rise in power. And remember, Noise Marines don't HAVE to be Emperor's Children and Plague Marines not Death Guard. GW is encouraging you to think up your own background story to your army, thus they can have the same colors as the rest of you army, it just has to be visible what they are. Or you have to think of a way why normal looking CSM could count as Plague Marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1784377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownie Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 One question, What is fluff? Cause I'm new too. And I might say It sounds quite interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1788704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 One question, What is fluff? Cause I'm new too.And I might say It sounds quite interesting. Fluff is just slang for background information/game lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/152971-new-to-chaos/#findComment-1788706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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