Mycroft Holmes Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 In 4rth Ed, you would deploy both Combat Squads from a split unit at once. In 5th Ed, when you roll a Dawn of War depoyment, do both halves count for 1 unit or for 2 seperate units? Mycroft Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedric Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I'd say 1. You deploy it, then decide if you feel like splitting it or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1783799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 a bit oversimplified: Dawn of War deployment specifies that multiple parts of a single FoC selection count as 1 unit each - so a unit and its transport are 2 units, as are the combat squads of a single selection. if a unit has a dedicated transport, then you cannot deploy the unit as combat squads with their transport as this would be 3 units by DoW deployment rules. edit: removed questionable ramblings... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1784196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycroft Holmes Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 So you're suggesting that if I have all my Tac squads in transports, I can only deploy 1 and it's Dedicated transport? Mycroft Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1784361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Pash Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 So you're suggesting that if I have all my Tac squads in transports, I can only deploy 1 and it's Dedicated transport? Mycroft Yes. Unless you're combat squadding them. In that case you can only deploy 1 Combat Sq. and the transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1784512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 So you're suggesting that if I have all my Tac squads in transports, I can only deploy 1 and it's Dedicated transport? Mycroft see "Multiple Unit Choices" BRB, P.92. in short - discrete parts of a single FOC slot (multiple squads, transports, etc..) "behave as separate units in all respects." DoW deployment allows for 2 units from the troops selection and one from the HQ selection. forget what I said earlier (and since removed) about splitting units from one FOC into reserve/deployed. I seem to have proven myself wrong with added research. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1784615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniclurker Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yes. Unless you're combat squadding them. In that case you can only deploy 1 Combat Sq. and the transport. You absolutely cannot deploy half of a single squad. Combat squadding occurs when you deploy them. As such, you either have both halves on the table, or no halves. There is no middle ground. Also, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that a unit and the dedicated transport they were chosen with must be deployed at the same time. You can have them deploy in seperate locations, or have the squad come from reserves dismounted on there transport, but they are there together. I'll check up on that, and get back with you. Please, read the rulebook before saying things like this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1784776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Pash Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yes. Unless you're combat squadding them. In that case you can only deploy 1 Combat Sq. and the transport. You absolutely cannot deploy half of a single squad. Combat squadding occurs when you deploy them. As such, you either have both halves on the table, or no halves. There is no middle ground. Also, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that a unit and the dedicated transport they were chosen with must be deployed at the same time. You can have them deploy in seperate locations, or have the squad come from reserves dismounted on there transport, but they are there together. I'll check up on that, and get back with you. Please, read the rulebook before saying things like this. Ok then, how do you deploy a 10-man Tac sq with a dedicated Razorback in a DoW mission? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 leave the razorback to come on in turn 1 OR don't combat squad the 10-man unit. those are your ONLY options if you choose to deploy that squad. as the units not deployed in DoW are not technically in reserve (unless specified to be so, which removes them from this conversation), I would think that it is legal to split the unit from the transport, but there is no precident I know of to allow for splitting the 2 halves of the unit into on- and not on-table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycroft Holmes Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 I asked the below questions to the "askyourquestion" service at GamesWorkshop. Got an answer the same day. 5th Ed rules Newest Codex: Space Marines All questions are in regard to the “Dawn of War” deployment A) I deploy a Troop squad and choose to split it into two Combat Squads. Do the two halves count as the 2 troops I may deploy or may I deploy another unit from my Troop selection? That would take up your allowable Troops to deploy. You can deploy 2 troops units, not 2 troops choices. B) A Troop has a dedicated transport. Do I have to deploy the Transport at the same time as the Troop? No. You can choose to deploy one and not the other. C) All of my Troops have Dedicated Transports. Does the Transport count towards the max number of Troop units (2) I can deploy and thus I may only deploy one unit and it’s Dedicated Transport? Yes, if you choose to deploy both. D) I have a Troop squad with a Dedicated Transport. I wish to split the unit into 2 Combat Squads. Does the 2 Combat Squads and the Dedicated Transport push me over the 2 Troop limit? Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praeger Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 As great as it is to get those answers - what I would now ask is for you to do two things. 1 - back each statment with a rulebook quote. 2 - send the same email to another countries GW and see how they respond (thats just always amusing) Sadly without rulebook backing those arnt real rules supported ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 A) I deploy a Troop squad and choose to split it into two Combat Squads. Do the two halves count as the 2 troops I may deploy or may I deploy another unit from my Troop selection? That would take up your allowable Troops to deploy. You can deploy 2 troops units, not 2 troops choices. I think his responce is correct but not for the reason he gave. On BBB pg 93 under Dawn of War deployment rules it says the "... at the end of deployment the player still has a maximum of one HQ and two Troops units on the table." B ) A Troop has a dedicated transport. Do I have to deploy the Transport at the same time as the Troop? No. You can choose to deploy one and not the other. BBB pg 92 under Multiple Unit Choices says that even if they come from the same force organisation slot, they are seperate units. Unlike previous editions you are not requiered (or forced) to deploy by slots but by units. C) All of my Troops have Dedicated Transports. Does the Transport count towards the max number of Troop units (2) I can deploy and thus I may only deploy one unit and it’s Dedicated Transport? Yes, if you choose to deploy both. D) I have a Troop squad with a Dedicated Transport. I wish to split the unit into 2 Combat Squads. Does the 2 Combat Squads and the Dedicated Transport push me over the 2 Troop limit? Yes. These are supported by the rules I already quoted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Those answers all fit with the rules. As Nighthawk pointed out BRB pg 92 Mulitiple unit choices for A ,C and D Question B is not as clear cut, but the wording on pg 94 "...a dedicated transport can only be deployed, and consequently can only be held in reserve, either empty or transporting the unit it was selected with......" makes a strong case for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1785836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawks Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 B is clear - "no." deployment is all at once now, so you may place and rearrange whatever you want until you are happy with it, and declare your deployment complete. there's noting forcing you to deploy the transport and the unit together, and nothing stopping you from splitting the unit and the transport into deployed and reserve. you even roll for them from reserve separately if they are not declared to be embarked within the transport when placed into reserves. remember, they are separate units in all respects. the difference with combat squads is that they are 1 unit until deployed, including arriving from reserves, so may not be split in any way until then. upon review, I think I may have been a little unclear/misleading in my last post as far as transports and reserves go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/153067-deploying-combat-squads/#findComment-1786079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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