Combined Inquisition Marines

[Lord Cornilius]

I've been trying to work out a list utilizing Codex:Space Marines as the parent list combined with some Grey Knights. I want to maintain as much fluff as possible so I think I came up with something. I'm planning on utilizing Space Marine Tactical squads as DeathWatch, with a Librarian to act as the DeathWatch commander. A lone elite inquistor will represent the agent responsible for bringing the Deathwatch and Grey Knights together. So far I'm thinking about the following...

 

Grand Master

4 Terminators – Incinerator

 

8 PAGK – 2 Psycannons

 

Inquisitor – Incinerator

 

GK Land Raider

Librarian

Epistolary

 

DW Tactical

Srg. Power Fist – Combi-Melta

Melta, Missle

Razorback - TLLC

 

DW Tactical

Srg. Power Fist – Combi Flamer

Flamer, Missle

Razorback - TLHB

 

Grey Knight Dread TLLC, DCCW

 

The "Deathwatch" will utilize combat squads with the Librarian leading the melta half of one tac squad and the Inquistor leading the flamer half of the other. Those teams each get a Razorback.

 

So, do you think this is fluffy enough as well as successful on the table?

[Gaz1858]

Totally, especially with the deathwatch conversion bits. How many points is this roughly?

[Lord Cornilius]

Totally, especially with the deathwatch conversion bits. How many points is this roughly?

 

The deathwatch bits will there for sure :woot:

 

This is a 1750 list.

[number6]

I've been trying to work out a list utilizing Codex:Space Marines as the parent list combined with some Grey Knights. I want to maintain as much fluff as possible so I think I came up with something. I'm planning on utilizing Space Marine Tactical squads as DeathWatch, with a Librarian to act as the DeathWatch commander. A lone elite inquistor will represent the agent responsible for bringing the Deathwatch and Grey Knights together. So far I'm thinking about the following...

 

Grand Master

4 Terminators – Incinerator

 

8 PAGK – 2 Psycannons

 

Inquisitor – Incinerator

 

GK Land Raider

Librarian

Epistolary

 

DW Tactical

Srg. Power Fist – Combi-Melta

Melta, Missle

Razorback - TLLC

 

DW Tactical

Srg. Power Fist – Combi Flamer

Flamer, Missle

Razorback - TLHB

 

Grey Knight Dread TLLC, DCCW

 

The "Deathwatch" will utilize combat squads with the Librarian leading the melta half of one tac squad and the Inquistor leading the flamer half of the other. Those teams each get a Razorback.

 

So, do you think this is fluffy enough as well as successful on the table?

 

What you have is not a legal list. Building a Marines parent list prevents you from employing any allied Inquisitorial Heavy Support choices, so the GK Land Raider and Dreadnought cannot be present.

 

One common way of building a Deathwatch army since the advent of the new Marines codex has been to utilize Pedro Kantor as one HQ and using Sterguard vets to represent Deathwatch Kill Teams, taking minimal Marines/Scouts Troops choices to make the list legal. Sternguard have all the ammo options the DW do, and then some! All they lack are suspensors, but that is such a small price to pay. Then you can ally in units from the DH/WH codexes to give the list more of an Inquisitorial flavor.

[Lord Cornilius]

What you have is not a legal list. Building a Marines parent list prevents you from employing any allied Inquisitorial Heavy Support choices, so the GK Land Raider and Dreadnought cannot be present.

 

One common way of building a Deathwatch army since the advent of the new Marines codex has been to utilize Pedro Kantor as one HQ and using Sterguard vets to represent Deathwatch Kill Teams, taking minimal Marines/Scouts Troops choices to make the list legal. Sternguard have all the ammo options the DW do, and then some! All they lack are suspensors, but that is such a small price to pay. Then you can ally in units from the DH/WH codexes to give the list more of an Inquisitorial flavor.

 

I realize that, they will be Codex:Space marine Land Raiders and Dread respectively, just with spiffy silver paintjobs.

 

I like your Kantor idea and I was originally leaning towards that, however, I got caught up on the fluff of the "minimal" marines troop choices. More of a modeling thing than gaming. Any ideas on how I could incorporate these squads fluffwise.

 

My grey knights are already owned and painted as part of a larger Daemonhunter force, and the deathwatch's silver arms would flow in with the grey knight paint scheme. Any ideas on how to paint a tac squad that fits the fluff.

[number6]

I realize that, they will be Codex:Space marine Land Raiders and Dread respectively, just with spiffy silver paintjobs.

All righty then.

I like your Kantor idea and I was originally leaning towards that, however, I got caught up on the fluff of the "minimal" marines troop choices. More of a modeling thing than gaming. Any ideas on how I could incorporate these squads fluffwise.

There's no reason they can't be Deathwatch units as well, just with less special equipment. Even the DW wouldn't have an infinite supply of special weaponry and ammo. Perhaps they reserve it for DW marines who've been around the block a few more times than the tac squad "DW" marines. (Maybe the tac squad "DW" marines are newly seconded, and need to learn the ways of the DW before they will be allowed to get The Good Stuff.)

 

Alternatively, they could just be "allied" Marines from Chapter XYZ loaned to the DW at the request of the Ordo Xenos for a particular engagement or campaign. Inquisitors can, technically, requisition anything they want. Maybe the Inquisitor behind putting your task force together has a decent relationship with Chapter XYZ.

My grey knights are already owned and painted as part of a larger Daemonhunter force, and the deathwatch's silver arms would flow in with the grey knight paint scheme. Any ideas on how to paint a tac squad that fits the fluff.

Depends on what fluff you want to develop. As I said, there's no reason they can't be DW Marines themselves. Or, again as I noted, they could be marines from a specific chapter that were requisitioned by the Ordo.

 

Keep in mind that the DW has only ever been barely sketched in, both fluffwise and rules wise. This leaves a wide-open canvas upon which you can paint virtually anything you want and have little "officially" in the way to contradict you.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Have you considered the possibility of using Arbites models to represent "SM Scouts" if you arm the scouts with shotguns?

 

Arbites are carapace armored, BS4 typically... the only difference is your Arbites would be toughness 4, but maybe they're just veterans and shrug off the pain :P

[Lord Cornilius]

Based on Number 6 and Nicole's advice here's another try...

 

Pedro

Deathwatch Commander

 

10 Sternguard - Fist, 2-combi melta, 2 las-cannons

Split into combat squads

Painted as deathwatch

 

2 x 6 scout snipers camo cloak

Elite Inquisitorial Sniper units

 

Dread - TLLC

Painted GK

 

Land Raider Crusader

Painted GK for termies

 

Inquistor

 

GKGM + 4 Termies

 

8 PAGK 2 psycannons

 

 

I could really go for either list, which one will be more effective on the table.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

If you want house-rule ideas for the Deathwatch, you are always welcome to check the Inquisition Project. *End blatant plug*

 

For slightly more legal rules, try WD 306, it has Chapter Approved rules for a HQ Deathwatch Kill-team.

[number6]

You can find the Deathwatch Kill Team rules on GW Oz's website. I can't seem to find it on the US or UK sites any longer.

[kittenofdeath]

You can find the Deathwatch Kill Team rules on GW Oz's website. I can't seem to find it on the US or UK sites any longer. :D

 

thats because the australian site hasnt been updated for almost a year, us aussies get everything late

[Captain Malachi]

You can find the Deathwatch Kill Team rules on GW Oz's website. I can't seem to find it on the US or UK sites any longer. :D

 

thats because the australian site hasnt been updated for almost a year, us aussies get everything late

Trust me, you're getting the good end of the deal.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I think you should drop the Landraider, it's a bit of an extravagance at 1,750. Might want some more Sternguard, if you are spending points on bringing Cantor.

 

 

As an alternative, here's a joint taskforce idea I've been toying with. I'll be starting a Deathwatch detachment soonish, and I'm planning to incoporate it into the following army;

 

Malleus/Xenos Joint Taskforce

 

HQ:

 

Deathwatch Captain (count-as Pedro Cantor)

(175 points)

 

Grandmaster, NFW, storm bolter

GKT w/incinerator, GKT w/NFW+storm bolter, 2 x GKT’s w/TH+SS

(344 points)

 

Elites;

 

(2) DW Vet w/powerfist, 7 x Deathwatch, 3 x combi-meltas (count-as Sternguard)

Drop Pod

(250 points each)

 

Inquisitor w/ auspex, plasma cannon servitor, 2 x Mystics, 2 x Sages

(99 points)

 

Troops:

 

(2) Justicar, targeter, 7 x PAGK, 2 x psycannons

(276 points each)

 

(2) Scout Sergeant w/teleport homer+sniper rifle, 4 x Scouts w/sniper rifles

(90 points each)

 

Fast Attack:

 

3 x DW Attack Bike, multi-melta

(150 points)

 

Total; 2,000 points

 

Scoring units; 6

Kill-points; 12

Infantry: 10 x Scout, 32 x PA, 4 x TDA

Bikers: 3 (6 x T5 wounds)

Vehicles: 3 x drop pods

IC’s; 2

 

 

It's a pretty formidable list, provided you don't face down Armoured Company or a mechanised Tau/Eldar army.

 

For the home base, you have the Inquisitor retinue, Pedro attached to a PAGK squad and another PAGK squad. They eliminate most types of infantry attempting to Deepstrike/Infiltrate close, and in close-combat the PAGK+Pedro is pretty nasty.

 

For attacking the enemy DZ, you have the Attack Bikers for anti-tank support, Scouts for suppressing infantry and bringing in the Drop Pods accurately, along with the GKT's. The Deathwatch eliminate infantry+armour, the GKT's target enemy heavy infantry, Monstrous Creatures and characters.

[Lord Cornilius]

I think you should drop the Landraider, it's a bit of an extravagance at 1,750. Might want some more Sternguard, if you are spending points on bringing Cantor.

 

 

As an alternative, here's a joint taskforce idea I've been toying with. I'll be starting a Deathwatch detachment soonish, and I'm planning to incoporate it into the following army;

 

Malleus/Xenos Joint Taskforce

 

HQ:

 

Deathwatch Captain (count-as Pedro Cantor)

(175 points)

 

Grandmaster, NFW, storm bolter

GKT w/incinerator, GKT w/NFW+storm bolter, 2 x GKT’s w/TH+SS

(344 points)

 

Elites;

 

(2) DW Vet w/powerfist, 7 x Deathwatch, 3 x combi-meltas (count-as Sternguard)

Drop Pod

(250 points each)

 

Inquisitor w/ auspex, plasma cannon servitor, 2 x Mystics, 2 x Sages

(99 points)

 

Troops:

 

(2) Justicar, targeter, 7 x PAGK, 2 x psycannons

(276 points each)

 

(2) Scout Sergeant w/teleport homer+sniper rifle, 4 x Scouts w/sniper rifles

(90 points each)

 

Fast Attack:

 

3 x DW Attack Bike, multi-melta

(150 points)

 

Total; 2,000 points

 

Scoring units; 6

Kill-points; 12

Infantry: 10 x Scout, 46 x PA, 4 x TDA

Bikers: 3 (6 x T5 wounds)

Vehicles: 3 x drop pods

IC’s; 2

 

 

It's a pretty formidable list, provided you don't face down Armoured Company or a mechanised Tau/Eldar army.

 

For the home base, you have the Inquisitor retinue, Pedro attached to a PAGK squad and another PAGK squad. They eliminate most types of infantry attempting to Deepstrike/Infiltrate close, and in close-combat the PAGK+Pedro is pretty nasty.

 

For attacking the enemy DZ, you have the Attack Bikers for anti-tank support, Scouts for suppressing infantry and bringing in the Drop Pods accurately, along with the GKT's. The Deathwatch eliminate infantry+armour, the GKT's target enemy heavy infantry, Monstrous Creatures and characters.

 

 

I like it a lot, the only thing that I find that really doesn't "fit the fluff" is the bikers. I was leaning towards land speeders as it would seem more fluffy for a recon speeder team to be in the deathwatch instead of bikers. Otherwise I love it. I've also been throwing around the idea of attaching a librarian with Gate Of infinity to my PAGK. Nice way to get around.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I like it a lot, the only thing that I find that really doesn't "fit the fluff" is the bikers. I was leaning towards land speeders as it would seem more fluffy for a recon speeder team to be in the deathwatch instead of bikers. Otherwise I love it. I've also been throwing around the idea of attaching a librarian with Gate Of infinity to my PAGK. Nice way to get around.

 

Yeah, but speeders are probably not as tough. Anyway, the Bikers don't represent the scouting component (the Scouts do), they represent the heavy support (relatively speaking) targeting enemy vehicles.

 

Librarian is a nice option, but I think he would be more use for teleporting a Deathwatch (Sternguard) squad into rapid-fire range, Grey Knights have excellent range anyway.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Thats an illegal list. The only way you can combine GKs and SMs is by using SMs as the parent list. You therefore need your compulsory FoC choices taken from the SM list. So far you need one more Troops choice.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I did ;) 2 x Scout teams dude, read it again.

 

Pedro Kantor is mandatory HQ, the 2 x Scouts are mandatory Troops.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Oops. Wouldn't it have been easier for us if you had just copied and pasted the unit, instead of using a little "(2)"? ;)

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Oops. Wouldn't it have been easier for us if you had just copied and pasted the unit, instead of using a little "(2)"? smile.gif

 

I always write like that though. If two units are identical, there's no need to list them twice. The little (X) next to it is quicker.

 

Sorry if I confused you, I'm used to writing up army lists in Word, so I like to fit them onto one page. It's a space-saving measure.