LotD

[Lord of Kurts]

Alright, just got my SM codex Friday and been trying to memorize it as much as possible. Most of the rules I understand. But here's one I don't.

 

In the Legion of the Damned Entry, with the special rule"Unyielding Spectres", it says and I quote "saving throw is invulnerable". What, exactly, does that mean? Does it mean that they have an Invulnerable Save of 3+, like their armor, or does it mean that they can't be touched? The person I asked said it was the former, and I believe that that is the correct answer as well, however, I wanted some more opinions.

[Mal]

This is something that IMHO need to be FAQ'd, as it stands it means their 3+ armour save is actually a 3+ inv save. Or in other words, my GK with psycannons will eat these guys.

[Asmodeus' Swordhand]

aye, that is what I think also.

[Hexx]

Yes.

As it stands (like the daemon army) the LOTD has a 3+ Invulnerable save and no armour save. Keep them away from the (very few) weapons that ignore Inv saves and you'll be golden.

[maniclurker]

Mal: There is no need for an FAQ here. It's pretty clear that GW meant for LotD to not have armor saves. If you look in their equipment, they do not have power armor.

[Bannus]

I don't think I would agree. LotD are Space Marines and do wear power armor - but the rules goofed (again). While according to RAW, they don't have a power armor save, their price tag suggests that this is an error that will be corrected by a FAQs. I think the intent was them to always get a 3+ Save regardless.

[Trekari]

I don't think I would agree. LotD are Space Marines and do wear power armor - but the rules goofed (again). While according to RAW, they don't have a power armor save, their price tag suggests that this is an error that will be corrected by a FAQs. I think the intent was them to always get a 3+ Save regardless.

 

Yes, Sable is a color, however their entry has no mention of Power Armor, and those types of goofs are extremely rare, especially when their text entry also makes no mention of it and instead specifies that it is Invulnerable.

[Octavulg]

Sable's a color, you realize.

[Frogstaff]

I don't think I would agree. LotD are Space Marines and do wear power armor - but the rules goofed (again). While according to RAW, they don't have a power armor save, their price tag suggests that this is an error that will be corrected by a FAQs. I think the intent was them to always get a 3+ Save regardless.

Nope, not an error. Given that every other entry in the book includes armor, the fact that the only one that doesn't is the force of mysterious specters who suddenly appear and disappear on the battle field makes the lack of power armour being a simple mistake very unlikely. Like Daemons, the only save they get is the invulnerable one.

[Kadaeux]

Sable's a color, you realize.

 

No its not its a COLOUR... :)

 

I think its clear cut. They don't have power armour. They're Warp Manifestations of the Emperors will (in a sense) and as such their save is identical to that of a Daemon, which in a sense they are.

[SeattleDV8]

ah.. Sable is a color. black in fact. The term is generally used with heraldry. They have armour BUT their save is INV.

[Kadaeux]

ah.. Sable is a color. black in fact. The term is generally used with heraldry. They have armour BUT their save is INV.

 

Not its not.

 

Sable is a COLOUR :P

[Mal]

So LotD do not wear armour? hmm... in that case im going to use my fantasy skeleton warriors as LotD which by that statement is allowable through WYSIWYG...

 

I think we can agree that LotD do infact wear armour, but their save is inv.

My note about a FAQ is to clear up the misunderstandings about this unit, and if you do a searchy, you'll see there are quite a few questions raised about them.

[Frogstaff]

No, they do not wear power armor. If they did, it would be listed in their wargear, and it would also give them a 3+ armor save. The reason this question keeps coming up is that players haven't yet quite gotten the knack of correlating the unit entry with its rule entry.

 

You also don't seem to understand how WYSIWYG works. You're supposed to be able to look at a model and have a general estimation of what it's got. In the LotD case, that'd be bolter, bolt pistol, and grenades. So if you want to model you're LotD as skeletons with bolters, there's no reasonable argument to stop you. Of course, since their fluff suggest they're space marines that have become warp entities, it's reasonable to depict them as wearing power armor, but we're talking about the rules, and as the rules go, it's crystal clear that they don't.

[ShinyRhino]

I read it as the LotD not having any armor save at all. They're ghosts that appear in the form of a Space Marine. They are made up of warp energies, not ceramite and adamantite or whatever. Grey Knights have advantages against warp-beings, and so would use their special weapons to great effect on the LotD.

 

My personal reading, obviously. Some folks think of them as actual physical beings that appear from nothing. *shrug*

[Commissar Molotov]

I've never thought of the Legion of the Damned as loyalist 'daemons' until I read this thread... suddenly my head feels alive with interesting thoughts! :D

[Kadaeux]

I've never thought of the Legion of the Damned as loyalist 'daemons' until I read this thread... suddenly my head feels alive with interesting thoughts! :)

 

You're welcome matey :D

[Praeger]

And since this has been recently discussed and the original question has been answered, topic closed.